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USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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Serious question: Given the mood alerting properties of lithium, are people living here chiller than would be expected (controlling for instance for poverty / SES) ?

El Dorado, one of the towns in AR that overlaps with the deposits, does have an above avg level of lithium water supply [1].

[1]: I'm working on a DB of water quality, https://www.cleartap.com/water-systems/AR0000550

Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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Work in this industry (hard rock mining).

Lithium supply is not an issue. Here in oz we have plenty, there is surplus in market (see current lithium prices).

Conversion however is an issue, majority of plants are in China. Build some refiners that turn it into lithium carbonate and oz will fill them.

Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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When the tide goes out on the AI hype there’s going to be a lot of companies currently using expensive API calls for simple classification tasks that will be quietly revamped to use a simple CNN. ML is a toolbox of methods. Not every problem needs a transformer.

> Not every problem needs a transformer. They do if they want to get the intention of a Venture Capitalist!

Venture Capitalist Attention Is All You Need!

Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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Well I guess this is a good win for short term energy infrastructure, though I'm always pretty torn when its at the cost of ripping open huge swaths of earth to get at the raw material. It is interesting to see how much of this data could be modelled based on wastewater brines from other industries in the area, assuming we go on to mine the lithium it will say a lot if the ML predictions prove accurate. One thing I c…

You physically can't remove the overburden for this. The Smackover is at a depth of multiple kilometers in most of these areas. It's mining brine. I.e. the "mines" are basically deep water wells. The limestone itself doesn't have any lithium. It's the water in the pores in the limestone that is relatively concentrated in lithium. In most of these cases, you're already producing brines from the smackover formation as…

Extremely helpful, thanks for the extra detail here. I have a background in the oil industry and live in a region strip mined for coal (I actually can't tap a useful ground well because of it), but I don't know much about how lithium is actually extracted.

As far as evap ponds go, are there usually chemicals or elements in the same brine water as lithium that is important when evaporating into the atmosphere?

Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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Your description of the location of this mine doesn't match your Wikipedia link. Searching in Google Maps, Thacker Mine comes up as 40.58448942010599, -117.8912129833345. As you say, that is near I-80 and Mill City, and there is nothing there. But Wikipedia says it's at 41.70850912415866, -118.05475061324945 in the McDermitt Caldera, nowhere near Mill City or I-80. I'm thinking probably don't trust Google on this one…

Right. The Nevada Appeal, which actually has people on the ground, has far more info.[1] North of Thacker Pass is the area to look. The mine is building their own rail yard west of Winnemuca. The mine will be an open-pit mine like a coal mine. Sawtooth Mining division of North American Coal will do the mining. Dig down 350 feet, take out clay with lithium, process, put back clay without lithium. The processing plant…

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Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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post #123

Work in this industry (hard rock mining). Lithium supply is not an issue. Here in oz we have plenty, there is surplus in market (see current lithium prices). Conversion however is an issue, majority of plants are in China. Build some refiners that turn it into lithium carbonate and oz will fill them.

I eagerly anticipate the day Australia becomes the World's Forge.

All those minerals. All that sunshine. Terrific combo.

h/t Saul Griffith.

Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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Me thinks we might switch batteries to sodium in just a few years.

I think there will be markets for many different chemistries and there's unlikely to be some total winner in the near future. Each chemistry has its own tradeoffs and use cases. Some will fade and die over time like Ni-Cad, but even that takes longer than you would expect. It would be amazing for some low weight, low volume, high energy density, high discharge rate, high charge rate, cheaply manufactured from abundan…

Where does LFP fail? Today's LFP batteries are getting pretty damn good.

Re: USGS uses machine learning to show large lithium potential in Arkansas

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sure. just make sure to pay them what their land is worth... with the lithium below.

Do most residential land parcels include mining rights?

idk, but if you're going to buy a house check if it's "Fee Simple" which does include mineral rights.

https://www.rangerminerals.com/what-does-fee-simple-estate-o...

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