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Once You Try a Four-Day Workweek, It's Hard to Go Back

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Re: Once You Try a Four-Day Workweek, It's Hard to Go Back

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post #49

I work four eight-hour days (with a concomitant 20% pay cut), and I'm never going back. I did try a five-day year, after six or so years of a four-day week, but that just made me cement my decision to not work five days. A two-day weekend is too short, a five-day workweek is too long. 4/3 is the perfect split.

> 4/3 is the perfect split.

Unless one defies the 7days week.

I'm concocting a system based on 4/4 split, the actual perfect split.

Yes, sometimes it ends up as work on other people's weekend and that's on purpose.

Re: Once You Try a Four-Day Workweek, It's Hard to Go Back

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post #23

Aldous Huxley imagined in the '20s we would automate most things and work less in the future. Today we work more than ever together with increased automation, and women work as well instad of being home to take care of the household. On paper it looks like progress, but I'm not so sure about the quality of life.

The main point here lies in the definition of "work". I do not think we work a lot, these days. If anything and from what I see on IT, work is really scarse. What has increased a lot is the time spent "on duty" (on the office or whatever). This is not work per-se. But this is time retrieved from your life. This is not progress.

There's different types of work, the on duty time you describe is what I would call being paid to be available to work during certain hours. My work is like this, I do 9-5 or similar hours, any jobs come into during that time, I work on them as needed. Some days are quiet, some very busy, work is somewhat elastic while time and hourly rate is fixed.

This applies to a lot of jobs these days, even from something like retail or hospitality worker or at the more extreme end you have the likes of an on call engineer or firefighter, mostly being paid to be ready to respond to the need to work, but not being guaranteed that it will happen. This type of work doesn't really respond to more hours being more productive. It may to a certain extent that if the shop is open long maybe more customers will come in but it's not guaranteed and there may be diminishing returns as you are paying employees for their time so you need to be making or saving more money having them available to work.

Most people still conceptualise work as something more like factory work or mining or labouring even something like legal work to some extent, where you have a set amount of output each hour and so more working hours should mean more production output to a certain extent. In this case work, hourly rate and time is fairly fixed and not that elastic.

Then there the type of job where the work is fixed, but the time and hourly rate can be very elastic, this is more contractor, startup, even parts of the military, where you need to complete a task or objective maybe to a deadline but the the time or cost can vary significantly depending on what's important. This is more the business owner, sole contractor or equity earning employee where they can potentially get a bigger payout by putting in more effort or else working more efficiently.

Re: Once You Try a Four-Day Workweek, It's Hard to Go Back

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon delivering to your door. Uhhh last time i checked amazon truck drivers were still humans, and drone delivery is still a catchy marketing stunt at least for now.

From the customer's point of view, yes, it's automated. The task of shopping is mostly eliminated. Instead of spending all afternoon at the mall, a customer can purchase everything they need in a few minutes without ever leaving the house. Sorry you need things to be explained to you in such great detail.

I’m sorry you don’t consider truck drivers as human beings.

But you only care that stuff is automated from your point of view, right? Other can sweat, suffer and keep slaving away, as long as you don’t have to lift a finger, right?

Yes the customer can click a button and have stuff delivered within minutes… as long as someone else is doing the delivery.

Your lack of empathy really shows the sadness of your soul, and the short sightedness of your mind.

You can be sorry for me if you want, but I pity you.

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