Live data from Hacker News

Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

windowsteamblog.com

121–130 of 207 posts

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#121
post #119

It's a smart price but I suspect that Microsoft has burned too many bridges for most people to ever consider upgrading their computer's operating system. For the average person a (Windows) operating system upgrade has traditionally been cost prohibitive and often not a smooth process. That's going to scare a lot of people off even at $39.99 I'm also not convinced Microsoft has found a compelling way to sell Windows 8…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system...

Around 10% upgrading per year isn't bad considering how big a jump it is from XP to 7. 7 to 8 is less of a jump and this announcement makes it much cheaper.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#122
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that I can install OS X on a blank hard drive when needed (which I've needed to do twice).

You can install the MS upgrades on a blank hdd too, can't you? It's been some years but I thought they just used to ask for a disk from the "qualifying upgrade" product to be inserted during install.

The parent was specifically replying to

> you can only install it on Macs (which already have OS X installed).

It wasn't an attempt to compare OS X and Windows installations.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#123
post #38
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Apple's cost cutting has increased competition. Increased competition is usually better for consumers.

While I agree that increased competition is better for consumers, Apple hasn't cut costs for the consumers -- they've merely absorbed the cost of the OS into their hardware.

If the average price of hardware hasn't gone up, which it hasn't, then they have cut costs for consumers.

Regardless of where they handle the accounting on their end, cost of ownership has gone down.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#124
post #119

It's a smart price but I suspect that Microsoft has burned too many bridges for most people to ever consider upgrading their computer's operating system. For the average person a (Windows) operating system upgrade has traditionally been cost prohibitive and often not a smooth process. That's going to scare a lot of people off even at $39.99 I'm also not convinced Microsoft has found a compelling way to sell Windows 8…

For the average person a (Windows) operating system upgrade has traditionally been cost prohibitive and often not a smooth process

I'm firmly in this camp. I've done clean installs of Windows 7 on both VMs and physical hardware and it was flawless every time. I have no doubt clean Windows 8 installs are also easy. But I would be afraid of an in-place upgrade.

My PC at home is an old HP with an AMD Athlon. It runs XP. It does everything I need it to do. I will never upgrade the OS, even if Windows 8 were free I would not consider it. When the time comes, I will buy a new computer and migrate my files, but until then it will keep on as-is.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#125
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that I can install OS X on a blank hard drive when needed (which I've needed to do twice).

Not with the latest versions of OSX. Lion...maybe. I think you can USB it. As far as I have read Mountain Lion is download only.

Exactly, you download it and then burn the disk image to a DVD or whatever media you'd like to boot from.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#126
post #88

What no-one has mentioned that I find interesting, is that Microsoft are calling this a 'promotion' "This upgrade promotion for Windows 8 Pro both online and at retail runs through January 31st, 2013." I wonder why this price is only temporary, and what the price will be afterwards?

They can say that the retail price of the upgrade is $139, then with each sale they can take a $100 "promotional" expense off their taxable income.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#127
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Our law firm is almost -- almost -- ready to roll out our Windows 7 build. And we only have about 650 users.

Can you describe a little bit about what all goes into preparing for a Windows 7 deployment for a company of your size? I'm genuinely curious.

I can give an in-depth explanation for migrating from Windows 2000 to Windows XP for a similar number of computers when I was a network admin at a school.

One of the initial blockers was hardware - we were updating our computers in cycles rather than all at once, so many of them were simply not powerful enough to run Windows XP. You could easily forsee a delay of several years due to this alone.

Then you have the domain controllers. We actually stuck with Windows 2000 Server on them for a while, but really they should have been upgraded to server 2003 to be properly managing Windows XP clients. Upgrading the server OS means training your network admin staff, moving over any configuration or scripting that relies on deprecated things, re-creating your software deployment chain to use the latest features available to you, and so on. For us this was maybe a couple of man months of work.

Upgrading the server OS in the MS stack typically means you're simultaneously upgrading a lot of the other software too, such as the email server, so there's all the testing you would expect from such an initiative.

Next you need to re-create your base image that will get installed on all the computers. This could require months of testing because it's quite hard to get a base image running on all of your computers if they aren't identical hardware. This part also covers the sort of things you would expect in doing an upgrade on your personal computer, such as finding new device drivers (probably not an issue going from Windows 7 to Windows 8). I think this part took us 5 or 6 iterations, which worked out as about one man month of work.

Also on the desktop side your admins have to know how to use the new OS - a lot of the control panel changed in XP for example so we had to learn all that. (Of course by this time XP had been out a while and we knew most of it quite well already)

Once you have a working base image you need to update your group policy, as a new OS brings new settings, so you have to ensure everything is suitably locked down.

Then you have to actually test doing mass roll-outs of that image and applying the policy and make sure it works across your entire spectrum of hardware (multiplied by number of policies you have if they differ across some hardware, multiplied again by differing user policies).

Next up is making sure all your software actually deploys correctly on your new images. This is a great opportunity to upgrade to the latest versions of any software that's lagging behind a little (which may well be necessary if any of your software fails to run on the new OS). This was probably the most tedious and frustrating part, especially when applications aren't available as .msi installers as that makes the process for deploying them far lengthier.

Then of course you need to test all the software you deploy to make sure it still works.

Finally you can train users, decide on a good downtime window to do the deployment (and make sure you have a rollback plan for when it inevitably goes wrong), and then roll it out!

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#129
Is this the "new" Microsoft? I generally like what I am seeing them do. Surface looks incredible. Not completely sold on the Metro interface on the desktop but understand what they are trying to do. In general there seems to be new energy and focus coming out of MS. I wonder what's going on inside.

Re: Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to cost $39.99

#130
post #106
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you, but this is the exact argument I've heard with every Microsoft OS since windows 2000 (and no doubt it was made before then, too).

This time around though 7 is unbeatable. It just works. Okay it does (and never was) working as I wanted to be - much like linux, osx, etc. but aside from mine developer's perspective it just works for the rest of the stuff. 7 in terms of stability perception is like XP - I still have XP on my Mac Book dual-camped partition. And we had real problems with Vista - rendering, certain apps not working, slowness overall.

IIRC there's some genuine awesome improvements for Win8. For example, file copying from a share/network is immensely better. I do this at work all the time.
Post reply on HN