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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by [deleted] »

acdha wrote: post #73
eru wrote: post #31

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Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

> By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations Is this something you know firsthand or something you think you know because a huge amount of money has gone into spreading that message for political purposes? Anyone who’s worked for or with a multi-national knows that they’re hardly as efficient as the marketing would have you believe, and anyone who’s looked at libertarian…

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by MichaelZuo »

fsflover wrote: post #117
MichaelZuo wrote: post #110

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The real question is why is every other company with a consumer OS even more incompetent and/or malicious?

What's incompetent about Linux? Have you tried to buy preinstalled?

Have you ever tried to compare something like Ubuntu or RHEL on a per feature per function basis with Mac OS?

There are literally thousands of possible combinations of accessibility features alone, that are vastly more difficult to impossible to access. Or simply don’t exist in any form. Once you add in all the default apps and functions of Mac OS, there’s likely millions of possible combinations that would take a fortune in time and effort and knowledge to replicate maybe a quarter of, on a hypothetical laptop installed with Linux.

Not to mention many peripheral manufacturers for many of their product lines simply don’t officially support any version of Linux released in the past few years.

Edit: Of course 99% of these combinations are irrelevant to any particular individual, but they are all relevant to at least a few small groups.

Linux promoters don’t seem to understand that alienating a few thousand users each time is a big deal if that alienation process happens thousands of times…

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by diggan »

isodev wrote: post #99
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

The beautiful hardware of the Mac is so wasted with recent versions of macOS.

It's funny how Apple went from leading in UX/UI and being average/below average on hardware, to the opposite. iOS/macOS truly is a cluster-fuck when it comes to UX that makes sense. Luckily we can run other OSes on Apple computer hardware, but not as lucky with Apple phone hardware...

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by fsflover »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

> your mobile devices are essentially tracking devices you are addicted to

Speak for yourself. Sent from my Librem 5.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by mananaysiempre »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #106
throw73484858 wrote: post #94

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Because Linux is soo hard to use. You have to use supported hardware (like with any other OS), and once a year paste a few commands into terminal.

I love Linux. I've just been burned too many times to trust it on my primary laptop. This is a machine with a high availability requirement -- if I have a job interview, the camera had better work right now .

Never updating within several days of anything important works well in my experience.

Although the specific hardware matters as well—an Intel Macbook’s Facetime HD abomination with its out-of-tree drivers was a source of constant frustration; by contrast, the Framework’s camera (the old one, not the one released recently) has been solid enough that I don’t actually know what it is.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by freedomben »

vundercind wrote: post #105
hypeatei wrote: post #82

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> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

If you've been on a MacBook since 2011 or 2012, it's definitely time to give modern Linux a try. It has come in enormously long way since then. I am not exaggerating when I say, I have a better out of the box experience with Fedora. Then I do with Mac OS. Mac OS certainly has a lot of features, and visually has a great deal of Polish, but it also increasingly has a lot of bugs.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by yowzadave »

userbinator wrote: post #104
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall Windows has also been doing that for some time now. Only Linux is relatively "clean" from that perspective, but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. The enshittification of OSes continues...

In this case it sounds like a bug--the issue is resolved on reboot.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

bayindirh wrote: post #97
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #91

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> Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. the burden of proof works in the opposite way > which can happen anywhere and yet it's still a bad security bug that does not happen anywhere else (AFAWK) if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

> the burden of proof works in the opposite way How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective. > if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO I mean, if an OS can wake faster than the competition because it uses high-end semi independent radios, a cu…

> How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective.

Exactly.

If the bug shows up on MacOS it's a MacOS bug and not a bug "that could potentially happen anywhere"

> but we should be fair when discussing things and our judgements

The fair discussion here is that it seems (it's not a certainty) that trying to restart apps as soon as possible to make the OS appear snappier is causing the aforementioned race condition for mullvad VPN and apparently other data leaks (someone mentions audio being played from previous browsing sessions)

I am on the side of the fence that prioritizes correctness over perceived but faulty snappiness

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by AlexandrB »

binary132 wrote: post #102
freehorse wrote: post #93

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For me, because of the hardware.

it’s just not that much better or worth it

I still use a MacBook from 2015. That's hella longevity compared to other laptops I've owned. And the only thing better than Apple trackpads is the Thinkpad "nub".

Too bad about the craptastic keyboards from 2016-2020 though.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by Faaak »

bayindirh wrote: post #87
Faaak wrote: post #84

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Yet they still make a sound when powered on or resuming sleep (and curiously, when plugged into my usb-c monitor, keeps going to sleep and turning back on (with a nice sound) forever. No other laptop win or Linux does that)

I actually tested my laptop before writing that comment. My laptop(s) make no sound even if I close the lid with playing audio (sans Firefox, as I said). I didn't test sleep/wake consciously while I docked my laptops, but I don't remember they start making sounds when they should be silent. Maybe you're seeing PowerNap cycles, but mine is not doing any noise in PowerNap, either. Need to test with leaving Firefox play…

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