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Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by chx »

moehm wrote: post #116
chx wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am the last person in this world to malign Drupal, I have been contributing for twenty long, long years to it. But no, Drupal is not an alternative to Wordpress. Perhaps ten years ago but even then barely. Now? That's like saying a Kenworth semi is an alternative to a motorcycle. Sure, you can get from A to B on either but beyond that, they are really different tools for different jobs. Maybe the new "Drupal CMS" (…

I considered switching to Drupal. For which use cases do you think Drupal will shine? And for which not?

I would rather answer the first one :)

Multilingual is built into Drupal and as far as I am aware, it's a plugin for Wordpress.

Complex permissions/access control is another area where Drupal is much stronger.

And overall, the more complex the requirements are , the more likely Drupal will be the answer. Wordpress leans very heavily towards "here, install this, it'll work, you can tweak it and that's about it". Drupal gives you a gigantic bucket of LEGO. In other words, although it's a bit of an exaggeration but not badly, with Wordpress you start from a working website and there's only so far you can walk from that point. With Drupal, you need to walk quite a bit in the first place to get a good website but there's just no end how far you can walk.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by FireBeyond »

throw16180339 wrote: post #106
chiefalchemist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to speculate, especially from a distance. But I do wonder: - Why now? What snapped? Clearly WPE didn't go to "billions" over night. So why go nuclear now? - Doesn't he have a close and immediate circle of advisors and confidants? Are they speaking to him and he's not listen? Or has he locked himself in a room so to speak and is completely unapproachable? Either way, not good. - Is he trying to force WPE to for…

> Am I the only one who can't imagine a good outcome from all this? Here's a possible good outcome. 1. The board fires Matt, stops chasing windmills, and settles with WP Engine. I'm kind of surprised they haven't done so already - it's all downhill from here. He's either lying to them, not listening, or they're drinking the Kool Aid. 2. Matt steps down from the WordPress Foundation and transfers ownership of wordpres…

> The board fires Matt, stops chasing windmills, and settles with WP Engine

The board is Matt and a PE firm Managing Partner, appointed by Matt. The third board member m (also appointed by Matt) doesn’t seem to have been active in any way shape or form in several years.

I don’t see this happening.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by FireBeyond »

getcrunk wrote: post #56
lolinder wrote: post #42

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> No one dares address the systemic issue of for profit corporations exploitatively (ab)using open source software. Calling out Matt and Automattic for their abusive behavior is addressing the systemic issue of for-profit corporations exploitatively abusing open source software. We're talking about a company that released GPL software, waited a decade for another company to build their entire business around said GPL…

Matt being a poor steward of gpl is by definition not a systemic issue … unless ur claim is that many people in positions like him do what he does which is in turn caused by invariant factors? The systemic issue is companies the world over not giving their fair share back in terms of contributing to foss. I might agree with most of your points, I’m just trying to get people to realize there’s the local issue of Matt/…

WPE literally spends several hundred thousand dollars a year contributing to WP events. And then they get banned from those events while the WP Foundation keeps the checks.

What absolute leeches they are.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by mardifoufs »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #10

Calling it right now: If WP Engine is reading, fork WordPress now. Call it FreshPress. Put $25M into it, team up with other hosts, abandon the editor everyone hates, and relicense it to GPLv3 so Matt can’t have any of it. (Note that WordPress’s license specifically says GPLv2 or later.) Maybe support Composer like sane modern PHP projects. Maybe put the most important plugins like Woo into core and make it an all-in-…

The whole thing started because WP Engine does not want to put resources into WordPress development. It's not some sort of disagreement about design or development, it's about the work itself.

If WP Engine has to create a fork and dump millions, they would basically lose. As they have built a business model around not contributing even to the already well developed WordPress codebase. So I can't imagine how going beyond that and forking the entire thing would work, unless they just mirror upstream.

I don't think Matt would mind if WP Engine did just that because he's arguing that they are using WordPress without giving back anything in return, so if they just did their thing outside of WordPress that would be exactly what he wants.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by beezle »

sccxy wrote: post #9

Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.

What's a good alternative to say the Wordpress personal plan? (note: its a goodness of heart type thing for others so low cost is important)

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by alricb »

noizejoy wrote: post #74
mthoms wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>LIVE/APPLICATION/Under Examination. The trademark application has been accepted by the Office (has met the minimum filing requirements) and that this application has been assigned to an examiner. Good catch. Looks like it was filed just under a year ago, and hasn't been finalized yet. If it is approved, I think the original filing date is considered the registration date, so Matt's usage would (at that point) qualif…

I’m not AL either, but I’ve been close to a couple of trademark applications and even a court case - so that’s why I was curious. Looking through some of the attached PDF, I wonder if it was, or will be denied unless amended, because the words are just too common and/or the scope for the trademark is being cast too wide? The examiner apparently sent a notice to the applicant earlier this year, and there seems to be s…

My reading is that the examiner thought "advanced custom fields" was too generic. WPE had until Oct. 19 to file a response or ask for an extension, and they asked for an extension on Oct. 4.

For "ACF" however, the examiner didn't see a problem and it has been published in the Federal Register. It will be registered if no one files an opposition during the publication period.

You don't need to have a registered trademark to sue for trademark infringement; registration does make it easier to assert your trademark and can increase damage in a court case.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by ValentineC »

beezle wrote: post #126
sccxy wrote: post #9

Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.

What's a good alternative to say the Wordpress personal plan? (note: its a goodness of heart type thing for others so low cost is important)

WordPress dot org is free if self-hosted. WordPress dot com has a free plan too.

You should be more specific about what you're trying to achieve.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by throw16180339 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #122
throw16180339 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Am I the only one who can't imagine a good outcome from all this? Here's a possible good outcome. 1. The board fires Matt, stops chasing windmills, and settles with WP Engine. I'm kind of surprised they haven't done so already - it's all downhill from here. He's either lying to them, not listening, or they're drinking the Kool Aid. 2. Matt steps down from the WordPress Foundation and transfers ownership of wordpres…

> The board fires Matt, stops chasing windmills, and settles with WP Engine The board is Matt and a PE firm Managing Partner, appointed by Matt. The third board member m (also appointed by Matt) doesn’t seem to have been active in any way shape or form in several years. I don’t see this happening.

I agree that the Wordpress Foundation will remain under his control. The Automattic board (https://automattic.com/board/), however, has four other members, so it's possible they'll remove him. They can't all be true believers in his Delenda est WP Engine agenda. One can only hope.

Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org

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Post by mthoms »

noizejoy wrote: post #74
mthoms wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>LIVE/APPLICATION/Under Examination. The trademark application has been accepted by the Office (has met the minimum filing requirements) and that this application has been assigned to an examiner. Good catch. Looks like it was filed just under a year ago, and hasn't been finalized yet. If it is approved, I think the original filing date is considered the registration date, so Matt's usage would (at that point) qualif…

I’m not AL either, but I’ve been close to a couple of trademark applications and even a court case - so that’s why I was curious. Looking through some of the attached PDF, I wonder if it was, or will be denied unless amended, because the words are just too common and/or the scope for the trademark is being cast too wide? The examiner apparently sent a notice to the applicant earlier this year, and there seems to be s…

Fair. I think to an outsider "Advanced Custom Fields" does sound generic. But in the WordPress world it is the gold standard for which all other plugins are judged. If you look on Wordpress subreddit threads like this one [0] and search for "ACF", you'll see it's one of the most known, respected and relied upon. So in that sense the name is very valuable and distinct.

Whether or not that means it will be granted I have no idea. On one hand it's only known in WordPress circles. On the other hand, WordPress is said to account for over 40% of the web.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1cc0aor/what_are...

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