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WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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"I'm literally waiting for them to finish the raffle so my talk can start, I can make it just a Q&A about WP very easily"

If I were attending a conference I'd hope that the keynote speaker would put more thought into his talk than this. Not only is it childish, it's disrespectful to his audience.

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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And so nice it looked at the beginning… Instead of WordPress, what solutions do you use? Wix, Squarespace, Webflow, Webnode and other wysiwyg ones are even worse imho. Are there any non-Nodejs or non-React open source CMS that don’t vendor lock you? Because I feel that WP somehow sucks in details and maintenance, but I can’t find anything comparable without being sucked into development hell. :) Thanks for suggestion…

After a few years building on WP I switched to https://getkirby.com/ and never looked back.

Thanks. It seems really good. PHP, files and folders instead of db, easy templating, plugins, admin interface built on Vue.js, open source at GitHub and a commercial license as well. Since 2012.

The only issue is to have more themes available, at getkirby-themes_com there are 22 only.

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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post #104
post #98

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And so nice it looked at the beginning… Instead of WordPress, what solutions do you use? Wix, Squarespace, Webflow, Webnode and other wysiwyg ones are even worse imho. Are there any non-Nodejs or non-React open source CMS that don’t vendor lock you? Because I feel that WP somehow sucks in details and maintenance, but I can’t find anything comparable without being sucked into development hell. :) Thanks for suggestion…

Are the good old PHP CMS dead ? Things like Joomla, Dotclear, Drupal …

They are not dead. The reason why WP took web by storm and Joomla and Drupal became less visible is that WP did a lot of work in instant usability - their 2 minutes’ installation changed the game imho.

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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I'm not a lawyer, as you will soon realize. This is just water cooler talk, which is what HN is for. I sort of directionally think that if WPE had a strong case here, their opening bid wouldn't be a C&D (I've noticed C&Ds frequently include a "preserve documents" section, presumably as punctuation, but for what it's worth that's an implicit threat they might sue). The meat of this C&D seems to be a section towards th…

Matt is predictable. WPE wrote this letter for the community. They knew Matt would throw a fit and they would be able to take the high ground while also releasing an assassination of Matt’s character. The Wordpress community doesn’t care about Wordpress.com, Matt just blew what little credibility he had left. Worthless as a legal letter, brilliant as a response for the Wordpress community. Matt will inevitably step d…

Matt has no reason to step down. He will explain where the monetary claim is coming from - probably the development time promised and not delivered, or the use of the trademark - and then you have two competing narratives. One by the Foss software maker, one by a big enterprise. Why would a relevant part believe wp engine? And even if, how would that harm internal automattic structures in a way that he loses control?

Also, I see no way how this going forward even in front of courts could end up with wp engine replacing WordPress.com.

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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post #122

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After a few years building on WP I switched to https://getkirby.com/ and never looked back.

Thanks. It seems really good. PHP, files and folders instead of db, easy templating, plugins, admin interface built on Vue.js, open source at GitHub and a commercial license as well. Since 2012. The only issue is to have more themes available, at getkirby-themes_com there are 22 only.

Because it's not designed with a theme approach. It's designed to build custom sites. Themes aren't really a thing inside kirby because of the tight relationship between content itself and admin interface. I like to think at it as an in between something like Laravel and WordPress.

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. It seems really good. PHP, files and folders instead of db, easy templating, plugins, admin interface built on Vue.js, open source at GitHub and a commercial license as well. Since 2012. The only issue is to have more themes available, at getkirby-themes_com there are 22 only.

Because it's not designed with a theme approach. It's designed to build custom sites. Themes aren't really a thing inside kirby because of the tight relationship between content itself and admin interface. I like to think at it as an in between something like Laravel and WordPress.

I got it. But explain this to people who are spoiled by $59 themes :)

More themes that you can choose from -> more Kirby users -> stability -> more users coming from other solutions etc…

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's not designed with a theme approach. It's designed to build custom sites. Themes aren't really a thing inside kirby because of the tight relationship between content itself and admin interface. I like to think at it as an in between something like Laravel and WordPress.

I got it. But explain this to people who are spoiled by $59 themes :) More themes that you can choose from -> more Kirby users -> stability -> more users coming from other solutions etc…

It's an entirely different target audience. Kirby is a tool that's designed mostly for developers, and not really for end users. There's no one-click install, there's no pressing a button to install plugins. And that's by design.

Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic

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Disclaimer WP Engine Customer - I read the comments from Matt M yesterday, and it felt like a hit piece. I run a website for a couple scifi like conventions, we need cheap reliable hosting without me having to deal with the vagaries of running wordpress myself. I would have bought a product like WP Engine directly from Automattic, but AFAIK they dont offer one, this feels like lashing out at a competitor because they…

> cheap reliable hosting

I can't speak to the reliability, but it's definitely not cheap

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