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Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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They didn't switch normal iPads until 2022. I really don't understand the argument that it was inevitable when they spent more than five years shipping lightning on phones and most iPads and USB-C on laptops. Maybe they would have switched on their own, maybe not. But they were clearly not just moving USB-C through their product line piece by piece, or everything would have had it many years earlier.

Apple started shipping exclusively USB-C cables/chargers with iPhones with the 11 in 2019. There's certainly a case to be made that they should have done that earlier (iPhone X or even back with the iPhone 7). It is perhaps worth noting that the USB-IF and Apple had a "complex" relationship for many years, and to this day Apple still doesn't sell a single 1st party device or cable which is USB certified.

>Apple started shipping exclusively USB-C cables/chargers with iPhones with the 11 in 2019.

Did they? I thought they only moved to USB-C with the iPhone 15 in 2023. Thats what Wikipedia shows me as well.

Edit: Oh you mean the _charger_ was USB-C with a USB-C to Lightning cable. The actual phone didn't get a USB-C port until iPhone 15.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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I think a big part of the reason (maybe the only reason?) they went to USB-C is because they were legally compelled to by European regulations, not sure if they can then about-face on that just by removing the port.

The regulation doesn't require having a port I believe. Just that if there is a port, it's USBC.

I interpreted it to mean it must have a USB-C to charge, not that _if_ it has a port it must be USB-C. Then again I'm not an EU regulations lawyer so thats just my interpretation.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there. The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ability to make full blown iPhone ipa on an iOS device without needing a macOS device anywhere at all.

As someone who does a ton of networking/routing at the link layer for a day job, I can definitely see why they’re taking measures to reduce bandwidth hogs - to the extent I might actually prefer to be on a network that has taken measures to reduce hogging vs one that has not. When it really truly matters, like when I have a business need to download huge items in remote areas, the $10/GB+ justifies itself.

> they’re taking measures to reduce bandwidth hogs

My problem with this is that it's the wrong measure.

There's no good technical reason to shape traffic to a specific rate irrespective of network conditions or capacity. All of the links in the chain support QoS.

Shaping a bandwidth hog to a tier below the rest of the users makes sense, but that's not what's going on.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there. The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ability to make full blown iPhone ipa on an iOS device without needing a macOS device anywhere at all.

> Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there. The internet tethering limits are in the contract though. Surely the primary goal for jailbreaking isn't just theft of service? > The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ab…

> The internet tethering limits are in the contract though.

I don't recognize that 10 GiB downloaded via my phone, or via my laptop connected to my phone as different, no matter what the contract says.

> on an iPad.

I said iOS not iPadOS, but that's good to know.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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Keep trying to de-dramaticize language, you'll get there! Seriously though, the last time I truely bricked something was because I overwrote the bootloader on a chip that had no other way to flash, and it was an all-in-one, so I couldn't solder to the chip and reprogram it directly. Now that was a brick. A board that I can still solder to a chip and bus pirate my way to victory, isn't a brick. Being able to do so wir…

> I wanted to flash the firmware so I could have capslock be left Ctrl in hardware You're a person after my own heart. If there is a God, you're doing his/her/their work. What was the hardware and firmware you were flashing?

It was one of those wireless Apple keyboards, and I thought I had the settings right, but it turns out I didn't.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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There are really only six options: 1. Keep using Lightning 2. Update Lightning 3. Switch to another proprietary connector 4. Switch to a standard but non-USB-C connector 5. Switch to full wireless 6. Switch to USB-C (1) Makes no sense, they were going to switch to something eventually. If anyone doubts that and thinks Lightning was going to stick around forever, they don't live in the real world. It's so far from rea…

Well they're not going to switch just for the sake of switching. USB-C has no capabilities that they care about compared to lightning (for phones), that's why they didn't change for so many years. It's just more compatible, and they didn't care about being compatible. I think your argument against 1 is flawed, because I can say the same thing about USB-C, that they won't use it forever . Or in other words, I pick (1b…

> USB-C has no capabilities that they care about compared to lightning (for phones)

On the new Pro phones they have been heavily marketing the capability to record ProRes Log video to external USB C 3.1 drives (something not supported recording to internal storage and that Lightning was too slow for)

When they replaced 30-pin with Lightning, they announced it with "this is our connector for the next 10 years". Now it's been 10 years. Simple as that.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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Well they're not going to switch just for the sake of switching. USB-C has no capabilities that they care about compared to lightning (for phones), that's why they didn't change for so many years. It's just more compatible, and they didn't care about being compatible. I think your argument against 1 is flawed, because I can say the same thing about USB-C, that they won't use it forever . Or in other words, I pick (1b…

> USB-C has no capabilities that they care about compared to lightning (for phones) On the new Pro phones they have been heavily marketing the capability to record ProRes Log video to external USB C 3.1 drives (something not supported recording to internal storage and that Lightning was too slow for) When they replaced 30-pin with Lightning, they announced it with "this is our connector for the next 10 years". Now it…

If a specific time promise was the main motivation to stick with lightning, they could have easily said that. I've never seen anyone bring up that mention of ten years before.
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