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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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What are their demands? And, cynically, is anyone even going to notice that they are striking? Seems unlikely, to be honest.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that people will notice when the New York Times website stops working.

If the Times goes down because the engineers are on strike for a few weeks or months, the engineers were not very good at their jobs.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

#122
post #108
post #92

What are their demands? And, cynically, is anyone even going to notice that they are striking? Seems unlikely, to be honest.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that people will notice when the New York Times website stops working.

I honestly wouldn't expect many to notice, all told. If Google can't index them so that headlines can be shown on searches, I'd expect larger losses.

That said, if the state of the tech there is such that a strike will cause it to immediately stop working... that doesn't exactly speak well for the work they have done.

Unless they are allowed to shut that stuff down as part of their strike? That feels very unlikely to me; but I don't know.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not transacting with a business in solidarity with an ongoing strike is a boycott. People can boycott the NYT in support of the strike. But crossing a picket line is a much, much bigger deal than not participating in a boycott. If you skip the NYT Mini Crossword for a week to support the strikers, I respect that, but I'm going to keep pushing for that sweet 15s finish this week and I'm going to sleep fine doing it.

There's no need to justify how you do business with the NYT, whether it's playing a crossword game or accepting a job. But either one is referred to as crossing the picket line.

Surely playing a crossword game is only "crossing the picket line" if the workers on strike have asked you not to play that crossword / called for a more general boycott?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

#125
post #5

How does one refrain from crossing the virtual picket line of such a strike? Is it to not do business with any company with this union's workers, for the duration?

> not do business with any company with this union's workers, for the duration? Anyone got a list? 1. The New York Times

Honestly this seems like good advice regardless of strikes.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

#126
post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of their key demands is to continue to allow remote work: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/30/nyt-tech-workers-walk-out

I saw that mentioned. Was hoping someone had a link that was a bit more informative. Edit: This is also an older link?

It looks like this is the union's platform: https://nytimesguild.org/contract-campaign/

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

#127
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the NYT isn't left-wing in a global context, and it is likely centrist in New York City, but it is definitely to the left of the median US voter. They're probably anti-union in this case because they're on tenuous financial footing, and unions in New York have a history of squeezing their employers out of business. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NYT/new-york-times...

> it is definitely to the left of the median US voter. No, it isn't, and it's not remotely close. The median US voter is far more left wing than you would know from politics and media. Most voters actually support an arms embargo vs Israel, support universal healthcare, support action on climate change, want an end to the prison industrial complex, want minimum wage increases, gun control, an end to predatory college…

And the main problem with Stalin was that he wasn't leftist enough, eh?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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post #73

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Regardless of what infographic makers declare, the NYT newsroom is not “left” leaning. Their coverage is much more complicated than left vs right, but one theme is they don’t question the loudest narratives, and they hold grudges when they perceive someone to not give them enough access. The right tends to be louder and more uniform and persistent in messaging, so that coloring often gets unconsciously added to artic…

Well here's a challenge for you, we can easily put your viewpoint to the test: Go on the NYT website right now and find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, or a single article that's positive about rightist policies or politicians. I bet you can't find any. Repeat this experiment, any minute, any hour, any day, any year, for the last 10 years, and you…

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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

#129
post #31

Good for them. More workers need to be understanding just how much they are being exploited by their leadership and demand a more equitable piece of the pie.

What would be more equitable? https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=New+York+Times&assumpti... puts the revenue per employee at $422,656.

They've got 5900 employees and https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/07/business/media/new-york-t... says a quarterly profit of $104.7 million. $400M / 5900 gives about $68,000 profit per employee.

So, what's reasonable? Would giving everyone a $65k pay raise and zeroing out the profit for the company be correct? Would that put them close to what they'd get if they worked in big tech? ( https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28Apple%2C+Meta%2C+GOO... ). We're dealing with very different numbers there.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

#130
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what infographic makers declare, the NYT newsroom is not “left” leaning. Their coverage is much more complicated than left vs right, but one theme is they don’t question the loudest narratives, and they hold grudges when they perceive someone to not give them enough access. The right tends to be louder and more uniform and persistent in messaging, so that coloring often gets unconsciously added to artic…

Well here's a challenge for you, we can easily put your viewpoint to the test: Go on the NYT website right now and find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, or a single article that's positive about rightist policies or politicians. I bet you can't find any. Repeat this experiment, any minute, any hour, any day, any year, for the last 10 years, and you…

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