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Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by tayo42 »

Alupis wrote: post #69
pcl wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely understand where they're coming from. Maintaining two separate search stacks for different user groups sounds like a nightmare. Multiply that by every feature that increases in complexity enough to bubble up on the cost-center metrics, and it for sure makes sense to prune complexity at the cost of secondary-feature functionality for anonymous requests.

Besides all of that - Github has zero obligation to provide Free services to users, let alone non-users . The person you are responding to doesn't even want to make a free account yet expects to be able to use all of Github's services for free . That's some wild entitlement. The disconnect here is unreal...

I have an account but github with forced 2fa is annoying to login with when I'm logged out. When your in the middle of something and suddenly have to go through a login flow, password manager, 2fa, just to look something up, maybe small, but I find it annoying

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by djha-skin »

> Most of all, we can't wait to see all of your contributions, discussions and feedback, as we move into this next chapter for NGINX.

The real economic reason to open source part of your product.

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by Alupis »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #112
Alupis wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok then, so that's like going to a restaurant and complaining the food costs money. Metaphoric " duh ".

That's not accurate. GitHub is still getting lots of data from people without accounts, and providing open access helps them get more users in general. If we have to do a restaurant analogy, it's like going to a restaurant (buffet?), opting out of premium, and still wanting access to a particular food item. It's not automatically ridiculous.

The OP is literally standing outside the restaurant looking through the window and complaining about not being allowed to eat for free.

> GitHub is still getting lots of data from people without accounts

This doesn't matter. If you want code search, you must log into a free account. Why is this controversial? Github isn't a charity - they don't exist to benefit freeloaders that won't even create a free account. Life doesn't need to be this hard folks...

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by Alupis »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #116
Alupis wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So again, because Microsoft has more money than you do, it entitles you to their services for free ? Where else in life does this logic apply? Perhaps you waded into a conversation without even understanding the core complaint. You can search on Github without a user account, entirely for free . However, they do not provide context-based code search to non-users, despite it still being free. If for whatever reasons y…

"more money than you " is a pretty crazy strawman of the actual comparison they made. The general idea of imposing more user-friendliness on very large corporations is not a bad one.

> The general idea of imposing more user-friendliness on very large corporations is not a bad one.

This is not a "user-friendliness" issue by it's very definition. The OP is not even a user!

> "more money than you" is a pretty crazy strawman of the actual comparison they made.

Perhaps you didn't read the conversation. The parent literally made the argument that Microsoft (ignoring that Github is a separate company) has plenty of money and therefore should provide this service for free even to non-users.

The service is free. A user account is free. It doesn't get more simple than this.

The naivety to believe the lack of a Github account somehow safeguards your browsing data is as hilarious as it is sad. Further, believing the creation of an account and searching code repositories somehow results in more ads is beyond hilarious.

This entire thread is pure insanity. Life doesn't need to be this difficult people. Create a throwaway account if you are so worried... or find some other service. You are not owed anything by Github - yet despite that they have made it trivially easy to benefit from their services at no cost to you.

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by gchamonlive »

jacooper wrote: post #31

I think it would've been a better choice to move to something they host like gitea or gitlab. nonetheless it's a step in the right direction, nobody should use mail+git in this day and age.

Also thought this was a lost opportunity to favor gitlab. It's arguably a better choice overall.

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by noAnswer »

dsr_ wrote: post #75
amiga386 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The alternative is having to do captchas and the like to use those features anonymously This is not the case. You may have noticed that Google Search, Bing, etc. don't require login or captcha to do a search. Billions of people use this search daily. And yet, they will throw a captcha at you, or even just say "you're a bot, stop bothering us" whether you're logged in or not , if their signals have detected what the…

For the last seven months, Google has pushed every non-login search from my house network through a captcha; the image captcha is typically five to infinite repetitions. Audio captcha works after a single run-through, except that it is frequently "unavailable" now. I don't know why. Google won't tell me. They just started doing the same for YouTube: "Please login because we have detected malicious behavior from your…

The joy of CGNAT.

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

#129

Post by TillE »

eesmith wrote: post #93
beachy wrote: post #88

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Source control is not like other systems. It's (largely) a backup of stuff that is stored elsewhere. Resilience/ monopoly concerns are much less.

You must surely know that people use Microsoft GitHub for far more than source control, right?, with issue tracking, email notification, CI, and GitHub Actions. I recently tried to get a small FOSS project to switch to Codeburg. The answer was "no" because the free CI for them let them catch some MacOS on Apple Silicon bugs (the devs don't have that hardware locally), and because they are already used to GitHub, maki…

So what's the problem? GitHub gives you a bunch of free stuff that would be pretty annoying/expensive to self host. Seems like a good deal.

If they remove some of that stuff, that would be worth complaining about. Until then, seems smart to take advantage of what GitHub is offering. Their CI isn't even super proprietary, you can basically just write bash scripts.

Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub

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Post by justinclift »

Alupis wrote: post #69
pcl wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely understand where they're coming from. Maintaining two separate search stacks for different user groups sounds like a nightmare. Multiply that by every feature that increases in complexity enough to bubble up on the cost-center metrics, and it for sure makes sense to prune complexity at the cost of secondary-feature functionality for anonymous requests.

Besides all of that - Github has zero obligation to provide Free services to users, let alone non-users . The person you are responding to doesn't even want to make a free account yet expects to be able to use all of Github's services for free . That's some wild entitlement. The disconnect here is unreal...

> Github has zero obligation to provide Free services to users

If they didn't, most (all?) of the major OSS projects that use them would have to find an alternative.

Those major OSS projects are why Github is the "central" OSS hosting place.

If they move on, then it's unclear if GitHub would remain all that central after a few years. "Probably not" is my thought, though I could be wrong. :)

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