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Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by zenorocha »

chadash wrote: post #81
reducesuffering wrote: post #14

If Amazon's OpenSearch plateaus, and everyone wants to host ElasticSearch, but on their existing AWS infra/sales business inertia, this issue will fundamentally reoccur. Nothing actually changed except Elastic thinks Amazon will commit to their own fork. If Amazon doesn't, we're back to square one: Amazon hosts open source ElasticSearch, Elastic changes their license, another fork. "Amazon is fully invested in their…

I love https://resend.com/ as an example of a website that does a GREAT job explaining what they do. Lots of companies tell you that integrating their product is quick, but with their website I can look at it for 30 seconds and understand what the next steps would be.

thanks for the kind words, we spent a ton of time on the website ;)

Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by jeppester »

pjerem wrote: post #58
jkaplowitz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I sell you ElasticSearch(tm) Service which is the actual ES code base, what’s the infringement? A reasonable consumer or customer might be confused into thinking a service named ElasticSearch(tm) Service is being provided by the company behind ElasticSearch. This confusion is exactly what trademarks rather than copyrights are meant to prevent. The trademark law doctrine of nominative fair use allows you to descr…

How is it different than the thousands companies selling you PostgreSQL or Redis services ?

Development of postgres is funded by the companies using it, for instance Amazon.

Elasticsearch and Redis are private companies that fund most of the development themselves.

When Amazon sell Elasticsearch and Redis, they are in direct competition with its creators.

Obviously such a situation isn't sustainable in the long run, and as such both Elasticsearch and Redis (and to my knowledge also mongodb) have changed their licenses to avoid that cloud providers sell their OSS product without paying a license or otherwise contributing back.

In the case of Elasticsearch and Amazon, Amazon even used the Elasticsearch brand to sell their own version.

As I see it it's a good thing that cloud providers are forced to take part in maintaining the OSS software (forked or not) that they are cashing in on.

Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by reflexe »

shiomiru wrote: post #70
jcoc611 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It kind of reads like it was LLM generated..."Write an announcement/apology about ElasticSearch finally being open source again (for now), where each paragraph starts with a relevant title from a Kendrick Lamar song"

To me, at first, it read as satire - but that doesn't make sense, coming from the official blog. Being LLM-generated is a plausible explanation - considering the circumstances, saying "open source is in our DNA" is right inside the uncanny valley.

Not like us is pretty new (may 24), not sure any proper llm could have been trained on it. All big openai models know nothing about 2024.

Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by PeterCorless »

lolinder wrote: post #80
foxyv wrote: post #13

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To be honest, the OpenSearch brand has more value now than Elastic.

I see a couple people on here claiming this, but no data to back it up. Elastic beats out OpenSearch by a wide margin on every metric I've thought to check (gh stars, gh stars rate of increase, number of commits, number of pull requests opened, number of pull requests merged, number of issues, stack overflow questions...). Not a single one shows OpenSearch ahead. What metric are you using to come to the conclusion th…

As a related proxy for market awareness, DB-Engines.com's ranking is a composite index of a number of factors:

• Google search volume and quantity of search result pages (blogs, recipes, etc.)

• Mentions in LinkedIn profiles as a skill

• Number of job post listings as a requisite skill

• Social media mentions

It is a measure of "mindshare" or "share of voice." Not one of market share ($$$) or utilization (TBs under management, etc.).

With that said, in the August 2024 listing:

• Elasticsearch is ranked #8 (of 423 systems tracked), with an index score of 129.83

• OpenSearch is ranked #35, with an index score of 16.47

This would make OpenSearch about an eighth as prevalent.

Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #78
zem wrote: post #64

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but if you set up a showroom that only sells toyota cars, i'm fairly sure you can't call it a toyota dealership

I don’t know if that’s true. I see tons of car repair services advertising “we repair $BRAND with original parts” and they’re definitely not owned by $BRAND. Clearly not confused with the original brand, but also advertising a service built off that brand.

Right, but they aren't naming their business "Bob's $BRAND" which is kinda the point.

Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by yencabulator »

29athrowaway wrote: post #41

There's already an open source Elasticsearch, it's called OpenSearch and it is pretty much all you need right now. Users that had to pay the price to migrate to OpenSearch do not have a reason to migrate back to Elasticsearch.

Also, OpenSearch is Apache-2 licensed so much more usable.

Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again

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Post by yencabulator »

echelon wrote: post #49
sergiotapia wrote: post #45

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I think it's pretty sad that Conglomo X can take an open source product, add some tweaks and sell/capture the entire market. Basically taking all the work that open source maintainers have done. What's the solution here?

Source available + MAU/ARR restriction clauses that prevent hyperscalers from robbing the bank.

Because that worked so well for Elastic here.
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