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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by seanw444 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #110
pessimizer wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're doing it to intentionally damage firefox because they feel it is competition, that's an argument for Chrome to be severed from google. If they're inadvertently doing it because firefox is so insignificant as not to be worth thinking about, that's an argument for Chrome to be severed from google.

How is Firefox having abysmal market share an argument that chrome should be severed from Google?

In a vacuum, it's not. The market is completely dominated by Google though, and they exercise that authority and mindshare brazenly, to the point that it's easy to see how it affects Firefox. Firefox functions great. It doesn't function great with Google products/services such as YouTube in this case, which has no real competition. What's someone to do? Switch to Chrome. One might even make the assumption that the repeat offenses over time, across various services, across various fields, demonstrates... malice.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by bawolff »

observationist wrote: post #104
zelias wrote: post #32

going by Hanlon's Razor, i would guess that this is merely the result of an engineering update that nobody bothered to QA on Firefox rather than a malicious attack on a single browser that isn't _really_ winning market share let's not assume Google malice is _too_ competent

Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply. Just because there's no one person twirling their mustache and mwahahaha-ing doesn't mean this isn't malicious and hostile behavior by Google. It doesn't matter even if there's no individual human at Google that intended this. What does matter is that the leadership at Google clearly doesn't do what is necessary in preventing hostile behavior as a consequence of ne…

> Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply.

On the contrary, i think it applies more. The larger the group, the more stupid stuff it does.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by mrandish »

Kye wrote: post #61

Not to WOMM, but as a data point, it's working perfectly for me in Firefox on Windows with uBlock Origin. Is this one of those A/B test things where I'll get it eventually? I know the ad bomb rolled out slowly[0] and we know they're looking for a way to foil ad blocking without drawing bad press and regulatory scrutiny. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23769291

I just checked and YT is normal for me in FF 129.0.2 (64-bit). YT specific add-ons: uBlock Origin, Nova YouTube (userscript with dozens of modules to fix various YT behaviors and UI annoyances), and Enhancer for YouTube (adds more playback speeds, fixes default player size & volume levels).

Since YT in my FF is heavily modified to be not awful, maybe the regression is in something my add-on stack is blocking.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by wannacboatmovie »

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

Google has been degrading YouTube in Firefox for me for about six months. Where are the antitrust enforcers when you need them?

We are supposed to believe Google hires some of the most brilliant minds on the planet, but I've yet to see evidence of this. YouTube has been unusable for years and is only getting worse. When one of your flagship products is unusable for both technical people and novices alike, in my mind you have failed as a company. The front end is what the user sees and what matters. YouTube was a better product 10 years ago and they know it.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by neilv »

bawolff wrote: post #118
neilv wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since YouTube has massive resources and famed tooling&processes, presumably either they knew about the Firefox problems before deploying, or (if there was a genuine QA mistake) they'd know about it very soon after deploy, when they'd be able to rollback if they wanted to. (Obviously, they know about Firefox, they've developed for it since it was available, and they've even been funding it.)

I always find these comments a bit rediculous. You think that big corporations are incapable of having accidental bugs? Wish that were true. The world would be a much less buggy place.

> I always find these comments a bit rediculous. You think that big corporations are incapable of having accidental bugs?

I didn't say they that they couldn't have accidental bugs.

I did note that they'd normally be able to rollback a deploy with problems.

Why do you say that's ridiculous to comment?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by roughly »

neilv wrote: post #103
jeroenhd wrote: post #83

Took a performance benchmark in both Firefox and Brave. Both of them are unusually slow (addons/extensions disabled, fresh profile), but Firefox especially so. Source for the huge render times seems to be desktop_polymer.js, specifically the part that's registering and setting up custom web components. Once the website loads, performance becomes a lot better. My guess is that a Polymer update made Youtube slower for…

Since YouTube has massive resources and famed tooling&processes, presumably either they knew about the Firefox problems before deploying, or (if there was a genuine QA mistake) they'd know about it very soon after deploy, when they'd be able to rollback if they wanted to. (Obviously, they know about Firefox, they've developed for it since it was available, and they've even been funding it.)

You’d be shocked how shitty the development practices inside a bigco can be. Working at a FAANG-level company is profoundly disillusioning.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by dymk »

Sakos wrote: post #109
dymk wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody knows a company can’t be incompetent a bunch of times in a row.

Incompetence isn't an acceptable excuse for anti-competitive behavior by a company the size of Google. It's their responsibility to ensure that incompetence can't result in things like this. This isn't something that should just be shrugged away.

An explanation is not an excuse.

It's tiring seeing people be so, so confident they know what's going on behind the scenes. In reality, they know just as much as everyone else.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by hightrix »

mypastself wrote: post #78
scrlk wrote: post #26

Seems to be okay for me on FF 129.0.2 + uBlock Origin, running on Windows 11. Looking through the Reddit comments, users running older versions of FF may be affected? Seeing a few people commenting that they're seeing this YT issue with v88, 110, 115 ESR and 121.

Same here, with the caveat that Google has managed to successfully bully me into paying for Premium some time ago. Not sure if any Premium users are affected.

Same setup here, but without premium. I'm seeing no issues.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by jarsin »

markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

I saw a tip once from a 3D artist on how he mastered sculpting. Everyday he would force himself to just sculpt a straight line on his model. This one line was enough to engage his brain and before he knew it he would keep sculpting.

I use this in coding. Just do this one function then you can do whatever. Most of the time I won't go back to procrastinating, but end up spending an hour or so working on the project.

I also think the opposite is true. If you try to force yourself to work many hours per day on side projects by disabling the internet or netflix etc. you will burn out.

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