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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by meiraleal »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

Local & capable internet is the future. I don't want my country influenced by US/EU politics all the time.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by agentcooper »

> The Dutch DPA started the investigation on Uber after more than 170 French drivers complained to the French human rights interest group the Ligue des droits de l’Homme (LDH), which subsequently submitted a complaint to the French DPA.

I wonder on what the initial suspicion from the drivers was based.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by shiandow »

agentcooper wrote: post #122

> The Dutch DPA started the investigation on Uber after more than 170 French drivers complained to the French human rights interest group the Ligue des droits de l’Homme (LDH), which subsequently submitted a complaint to the French DPA. I wonder on what the initial suspicion from the drivers was based.

Common sense if I had to guess. Or maybe the app connected to the servers in the US directly.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by michaelteter »

teekert wrote: post #106
wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

Uber’s right to do what ever the f they want stops at my right to control information pertaining to me. What’s freedom? GPL? BSD? Swinging a fist? Not getting hit on the nose?

Freedom to some means creating a startup that willfully ignores regulations in virtually every market while playing a funding ponzi game until finally handing the consequences off to the foolish public (IPO).

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by shiandow »

I guess this is always going to raise some eyebrows, with this amount of money it's hard to say it's not political.

However I would like to say that the Dutch privacy authority actually seems pretty sincere at enforcing privacy legislation. It's just that until recently they were just sending angry letters, and now they've been given power to do more than empty threats.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by pembrook »

sjamaan wrote: post #108
wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

These laws have been created for good reasons, and US tech companies have had free reign to trample on people's privacy rights for a very long time. If a company acts in a honorable way, there's nothing to fear and they can easily do business world wide. It's when companies do things that are shady and should've been outlawed from the start that they run into trouble. The main issue here is that the US has the least…

> It's all very myopic and US-centered to focus on the company's freedom to do as it pleases.

The Dutch DPA is not accusing Uber of doing anything nefarious. They are mad that Uber, as an American company, can be compelled by the US government to hand over data. Ultimately, their beef is not with US companies, it’s with the US government.

This is all wildly ironic because the EU is constantly trying to spy on their own citizens and undermine encryption. The EU is just upset that the US is able to do it instead of them.

This is just companies being caught in a geopolitical spat between competing powers. The EU keeps moving the goalposts on what constitutes “safe” transfers (we’re on the 5th round of this). So there’s no way for companies to be compliant unless the US government changes its laws. So right now it’s just a lever to extract money from US corporations via never ending fines.

The US government and the EU need to sort this out. Blaming the companies shows a total lack of understanding of the real situation. I get that we all hate big tech now, but there’s literally no way to comply in good faith with these competing EU cash grabs over the shifting specifics of how you can transfer data to US servers.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by dtquad »

Does anyone know good best practices and software/DB patterns to model localized GDPR-compliance into global software systems?

I know ASP.NET Core comes with some GDPR-related helpers but it's more interesting to know general best practices and patterns not related to a specific framework.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by [deleted] »

jeltz wrote: post #91
janandonly wrote: post #2

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> If compliance or braking a law is simply some S3 buckets with a different latency and “zone” then breaking the law becomes trivially easy to do. And devilishly hard to check. If it is a genuine mistake the fine would be tiny if there would be a fine at all. At least that is how it has been in other cases. A this big fine indicates that the DPA found serious negligence or willfulness.

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by renlo »

stavros wrote: post #115
wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

EU citizens: We don't want our data in the US, where it can be siphoned off to other companies. US company: siphons data EU: You can't do that. HN commenter: Damn these fiefdoms wanting their cut, what has the internet become? I pine for a simpler time, when I could do anything I wanted with data against people's will and nobody could stop me, that truly was the golden age.

He was saying that Uber will no longer operate in NL/EU, the pining was for "equal access to US services", not your data. FWIW, I am annoyed myself about having to accept GDPR popups on every website I visit, so I too pine for a day where US companies have nothing to do with "EU citizens".

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by troupo »

shashanoid wrote: post #109

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Ah yes, the poor-poor American companies who assume that they God-given right to every single scrap of data on their users that they possibly can. Under the guise of "we and our 1400 partners would really like to track your every breath"
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