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Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by AmericanChopper » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

msabalau wrote: post #111

stavros wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is semi-offtopic, but "trust but verify" is an oxymoron. Trusting something means I don't have to verify whether it's correct (I trust that it is), so the saying, in the end, is "don't verify but verify".

Pragmatically, the statement was made famous in English by a conservative US president, addressing the nation, including his supporters, who trusted him, but not the Soviets with whom he was negotiating. Saying, in effect: "you trust in me, I'm choosing to trust that it makes sense to make agreement with the USSR, and we are going to verify it, just as we would with any serious business, as is proverbially commonsens…

I think that’s a rather peculiar interpretation. I always thought it was pretty obvious that Reagan was just saying that he didn’t trust the soviets, and found a polite excuse not to in the form of the Russian proverb.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by jgalt212 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:58 PM UTC

stavros wrote: post #43

disillusioned wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "off by one" predilection of LLMs is going to lead to this massive erosion of trust in whatever "Truth" is supposed to be, and it's terrifying and going to make for a bumpy couple of years. (Or the complete collapse of objective knowledge, on a long enough time horizon.) It's one thing to ask an LLM when George Washington was born, and have it return "May 20, 2020." It's another thing to ask it, and have it matte…

This is semi-offtopic, but "trust but verify" is an oxymoron. Trusting something means I don't have to verify whether it's correct (I trust that it is), so the saying, in the end, is "don't verify but verify".

> Trust, but verify (Russian: доверяй, но проверяй, romanized: doveryay, no proveryay, IPA: [dəvʲɪˈrʲæj no prəvʲɪˈrʲæj]) is a Russian proverb, which rhymes in Russian. The phrase became internationally known in English after Suzanne Massie, a scholar of Russian history, taught it to Ronald Reagan, then president of the United States, who used it on several occasions in the context of nuclear disarmament discussions with the Soviet Union.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by albert_e » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

marbletiles wrote: post #102

albert_e wrote: post #63

Many folks like schools, employers, etc still publish calendars in PDF format. They spend more time on branding and visual formatting, than trying to create the same in formats that we can import into our calendar apps and actually use it practically. I wonder if there is a two step process we can follow that will more robustly generalize ... 1. Read any document and convert into into a simple table that tries to tab…

You badly overestimate the technical chops of the parent-guardian cohort and underestimate the practicality of a printable PDF with key dates.

This is not either/or.

We can have both.

Any organization in 2024 creating a calendar that impacts 500-1000 people should have the awareness that people use digital calendars / apps too.

They should make an effort to publish both PDF and ical.

Since that has yet to catch on in many places -- including the HR departments of large enterprises that publish holiday calendars and the like -- these alternatives ideas are explored.

Once we have the right tools ...

It just takes one tech-savvy parent to do this 10 minute exercise and publish an online calendar that other busy parents can subscribe to.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by bronco21016 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 3:15 PM UTC

albert_e wrote: post #123

marbletiles wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You badly overestimate the technical chops of the parent-guardian cohort and underestimate the practicality of a printable PDF with key dates.

This is not either/or. We can have both. Any organization in 2024 creating a calendar that impacts 500-1000 people should have the awareness that people use digital calendars / apps too. They should make an effort to publish both PDF and ical. Since that has yet to catch on in many places -- including the HR departments of large enterprises that publish holiday calendars and the like -- these alternatives ideas are e…

Agreed. If my child’s elementary school can manage, then most larger organized activities should be able to manage as well. I’m thinking along the lines of like organized rec athletic leagues, organized after school activities. Etc.

I do find that most of these do provide some method of getting a calendar link but we’re not quite to 100% yet.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by SoftTalker » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 3:54 PM UTC

disillusioned wrote: post #25

wenc wrote: post #3

You just have to double check the results whenever you tell Claude to extract lists and data. 99.9% of it will be correct, but sometimes 1 or 2 records are off. This kind of error is especially hard to notice because you're so impressed that Claude managed to do the extract task at all -- plus the results look wholly plausible upon eyeballing -- that you wouldn't expect anything to be wrong at all. But LLMs can get t…

The "off by one" predilection of LLMs is going to lead to this massive erosion of trust in whatever "Truth" is supposed to be, and it's terrifying and going to make for a bumpy couple of years. (Or the complete collapse of objective knowledge, on a long enough time horizon.) It's one thing to ask an LLM when George Washington was born, and have it return "May 20, 2020." It's another thing to ask it, and have it matte…

Maybe it will be analogous to steel. For most of the post-nuclear age, steel has been contaminated with radionuclides from atmospheric nuclear weapon use and testing. To get "low background" steel you had to recycle steel that was made before 1945. Maybe to fact-check information we'll eventually have to go to textbooks or online archives that were produced before 2023.

(Steel contamination has slowly become less of an issue as most of the fallout elements have decayed by now. Maybe LLMs will get better and eventually the hallucinated "facts" will get weeded out. Or maybe we'll have an occasional AI "Chernobyl" that will screw everything up again for a while.)

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by CraigJPerry » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

When I long press on any date in the grainy image listing the dates, iOS OCRs the text, interprets it as a date and because I long-pressed, it offers a popup context menu to create an appointment or a reminder, while showing a day view of my calendar for that date.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by SoftTalker » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

stavros wrote: post #43

disillusioned wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "off by one" predilection of LLMs is going to lead to this massive erosion of trust in whatever "Truth" is supposed to be, and it's terrifying and going to make for a bumpy couple of years. (Or the complete collapse of objective knowledge, on a long enough time horizon.) It's one thing to ask an LLM when George Washington was born, and have it return "May 20, 2020." It's another thing to ask it, and have it matte…

This is semi-offtopic, but "trust but verify" is an oxymoron. Trusting something means I don't have to verify whether it's correct (I trust that it is), so the saying, in the end, is "don't verify but verify".

That's only one possible meaning of the word "trust," i.e. a firm belief.

Trust can also mean leaving something in the care of another, and it can also mean relying on something in the future, neither of these precludes a need to verify.

Edit: jgalt212 says in another reply that it's also the English translation of a Russian idiom. Assuming that's true, that would make a lot of sense in this context, since the phrase was popularized by Reagan talking about nuclear arms agreements with the USSR. It would be just like him to turn a Russian phrase around on them. It's somewhat humorous, but also conveys "I know how you think, don't try to fool me."

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by 1oooqooq » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:09 PM UTC

unfunco wrote: post #72

1oooqooq wrote: post #71

HN devolved into a cheap product review. this forum now is like reddit being taken by nothing but fake accounts hyping one mobile phone or game console or movie. so tiring.

The account that posted the link is 12 years old, your account is 9 months old.

that was still a lame advertisement.

Also, you too should be rotating accounts every few months to prevent doxing. that's just common knowledge and online hygiene.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by ravetcofx » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:19 PM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #125

disillusioned wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "off by one" predilection of LLMs is going to lead to this massive erosion of trust in whatever "Truth" is supposed to be, and it's terrifying and going to make for a bumpy couple of years. (Or the complete collapse of objective knowledge, on a long enough time horizon.) It's one thing to ask an LLM when George Washington was born, and have it return "May 20, 2020." It's another thing to ask it, and have it matte…

Maybe it will be analogous to steel. For most of the post-nuclear age, steel has been contaminated with radionuclides from atmospheric nuclear weapon use and testing. To get "low background" steel you had to recycle steel that was made before 1945. Maybe to fact-check information we'll eventually have to go to textbooks or online archives that were produced before 2023. (Steel contamination has slowly become less of…

Because of llm Internet we have today, I already do go out of my way to find books and information that I can audit were written by a human before GPT.

Re: Anthropic Claude 3.5 can create icalendar files, so I did this

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Post by ljm » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #104

ljm wrote: post #94

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I believe it’s going to become counter productive sooner than anyone might think, and in fairly frustrating ways. I can see a class of programmers trading their affinity with the skill for a structurally unstable crutch. I was using Perplexity with Claude 3.5 and asked it how I would achieve some task with langchain and it gleefully spat out some code examples and explanations. It turns out they were all completely f…

One technique to reduce hallucinations is to tell the LLM "don't make things up, if you don't know then say so". Make a habit of saying this for important questions or questions for which you suspect the LLM may not know.

It's hit and miss, for the same reason Google is (and increasingly more so). If you try and search for 'langchaingo' then you might get lucky if you add enough into the query to say you're working with go, but otherwise it'd just see 'langchain'.

Google is pretty much useless for the same reason.

They're not actually more intelligent, they're more stupid, so you have to provide more and more context to get desired results compared to them just doing more exact searching.

Ultimately they just want you to boost their metrics with more searches and by loading more ads with tracking, so intelligently widening results to do that is in their favour.