Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week • Hacker News Board

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by SkyPuncher » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 11:41 PM UTC

EcommerceFlow wrote: post #29

aantix wrote: post #9

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Have you seen FSD 12.5.1.3?

He obviously hasn't. The tech community is in for quite a shock with Tesla robotaxi's come out in a year or so and blow out the competition. One factor not discussed often is how much smoother FSD is compared to all other self driving. Especially noticeable when going from FSD to the free AutoSteer or GM Supercruise.

I test drove a Tesla last fall and was deeply unimpressed with it.

It did a few things better than my Ford and Hyundai vehicles, but it was wildly unpredictable when it’d just decide to stop working. That’s a big problem for me.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by hakfoo » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 5:01 AM UTC

nojvek wrote: post #71

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #59

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Comma has given up on self-driving cars and they're downplaying it now.

Comma is phenomenal at highway driving. Better than Tesla. They should keep on doing what they're doing. Make ~$1000 gadget that makes driving less of a chore. Doubtful they'll get to driverless in next 10 years. There can be many players in the market at different offerings and price points. Comma is a sweet spot where they are handsomely profitable, don't need to raise another round and get incrementally better. Wa…

I can't fathom how "makes driving less of a chore" can work from a regulatory standpoint.

For me, that's the end-all-be-all of self driving promises. It doesn't matter whether they call it level 3, 4, 5, or 420, what the branding and promo copy says, it matters how it gets handled from a legal standpoint.

Unless you can get the vendor to accept liability, you're either hands-on-the-wheel driving, or sitting there tensing and waiting for the "you must jump back to hands-on-the-wheel driving in the next 3 seconds or we plow into the side of a lorry" alarm.

In a way, this is the same heuristic as "the company that offers a long warranty can't make crap." No company will willingly put themselves on the hook from the estate of pedestrians and other drivers until they know they've solved it to a statistically high level.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by SR2Z » Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

aantix wrote: post #111

SR2Z wrote: post #95

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Waymo does not have cherry picked routes - it has a defined ODD inside which is ANY route can be driven fully unsupervised. This necessarily involves some kind of generalized driving algorithm but more usefully, it gives you a clear goal and distribution to measure against.

The defined ODD is essentially cherry-picking the routes.

Sure, if the powerset of all roads in a major city is "cherry-picking" to you. The rest of us just call that driving.