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Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by beretguy »

BlackLotus89 wrote: post #17
beretguy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t need vertical tabs. I need native support for tab groups like Firefox USED TO HAVE. Even safari on iOS has tab groups.

Sidebery supports tree style tabs so tabs opened from a specific site are nested below that tab. Is this what you want? Or something like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/ or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-gr... ? I can't remember firefox ever having something like tab groups. When was this/How was this implemented. Seems like a feature which I would have liked/used Edi…

> Oh wow it was Tab Panorama and I faintly feel like I used it... Damn

That's right!

I didn't think people would hate my original comments so much. That's weird... Why so? Do people disagree that tab groups are useful? Maybe if you barely ever use internet that's true. People are weird...

Edit: nevermind, that makes sense, my comment is under the wrong posting, this about a port, not FF development, downvoted excepted :) But still, Firefox is pretty much the only relatively mainstream browser that does not have tab groups. That's... ridiculous.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by actionfromafar »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #55
actionfromafar wrote: post #21

Firefox ported to HaikuOS, before it's ported to Windows XP. :-) (If you need a modern browser on XP, in the meantime try the Chrome port: https://win32subsystem.live/supermium/ )

"before it's ported to Windows XP" what does this even mean???, I remember using firefox on windows xp back then, the reason they stop make a release version for windows xp because its too old and people already move on to newer windows 7 (microsoft already stop supporting it)

Are you telling me Windows XP is out of support? When did this happen?! :-D

But to answer your question seriously. Is a river today the same it was before? Is Firefox today the same it was when XP roamed the Earth with the dinosaurs?

The answer is, no, and yes, some of it. So it's a cheeky way to point out that someone managed to get Firefox running on a presumably very different OS HaikuOS, before getting it to run on Windows XP, which arguably must be pretty similar to say, Windows 10, when it comes to Win32 APIs.

(But of course, also Windows 10 is a slightly different river to the Windows XP creek.)

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by mook »

klyrs wrote: post #100
rvense wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An open source desktop OS that was basically usable for day-to-day stuff and easy to install, released in 2001? I don't think it's hyperbole to say that that would have changed the course of computer history.

Were you there at the time? Because I was a big computer nerd at the time, huffing all the OS/OS fumes I could get my grubby little hands on. Windows 3 had already won the game -- and that was when non-computer-nerds were asking their computer-nerd friends for advice and getting PCs hand-built by the same. When win95 came out, the non-computer-nerds forgot that the command line existed. When win98 came out, even comp…

While I agree that Win2k was good, I don't think it was quite that popular; The computers you could normally get were still Win98/Me until WinXP. The only way you'd have gotten Win2k pre-installed was either getting a workstation-class machine or unlicensed machines.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by actionfromafar »

aflag wrote: post #49
actionfromafar wrote: post #21

Firefox ported to HaikuOS, before it's ported to Windows XP. :-) (If you need a modern browser on XP, in the meantime try the Chrome port: https://win32subsystem.live/supermium/ )

Why are you using windows xp?

It amuses me.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by [deleted] »

klyrs wrote: post #100
rvense wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An open source desktop OS that was basically usable for day-to-day stuff and easy to install, released in 2001? I don't think it's hyperbole to say that that would have changed the course of computer history.

Were you there at the time? Because I was a big computer nerd at the time, huffing all the OS/OS fumes I could get my grubby little hands on. Windows 3 had already won the game -- and that was when non-computer-nerds were asking their computer-nerd friends for advice and getting PCs hand-built by the same. When win95 came out, the non-computer-nerds forgot that the command line existed. When win98 came out, even comp…

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Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by sillywalk »

kryptiskt wrote: post #16
rvnx wrote: post #3

Beautiful to see such passion and great execution, especially for 20 years in a row. It's like a piece of art. I suspect the company that created BeOS actually lost the source-code and that's potentially the real reason they don't want to share, because from an economic perspective there does not seem anything of value there.

Palm bought BeOS back in the day, but they didn't do anything with it. It was spun out with the PalmOS into Palmsource when Palm went to other OSes, so it didn't follow the rest of Palm into HP (and then LG). Palmsource was then swallowed by a Japanese company called Access, which was and apparently still is making a browser for embedded applications called Netfront.

Palmsource did open-source Binder, which is still around, and widely used.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by kstenerud »

smallstepforman wrote: post #42

Some history about Firefox and BeOS. Before Firefox, there was Mozilla, which had a BeOS port (called Bezilla). Bezilla was bloated and slow. So the BeOS community tried to make a stripped version of Mozilla with only the browser (minus all the bloat). This project became an inspiration to do the same for Mozilla, and that product became Firebug (or something similar - edit phoenix, then firebird), which due to trade…

Mozilla

Through BeOS becomes

Firefox

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by Borg3 »

actionfromafar wrote: post #122
tonyhart7 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"before it's ported to Windows XP" what does this even mean???, I remember using firefox on windows xp back then, the reason they stop make a release version for windows xp because its too old and people already move on to newer windows 7 (microsoft already stop supporting it)

Are you telling me Windows XP is out of support? When did this happen?! :-D But to answer your question seriously. Is a river today the same it was before? Is Firefox today the same it was when XP roamed the Earth with the dinosaurs? The answer is, no, and yes, some of it. So it's a cheeky way to point out that someone managed to get Firefox running on a presumably very different OS HaikuOS, before getting it to run…

Its not that easy. Win32 API is not static, in evolves. While yes, it can provide great backward compat, new stuff is introduced ever new OS release (or Win10 update), so its pretty much easy to destroy portability to older version. To keep portability, you must target lowest API version you want, and keep it using like this.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by tialaramex »

pjmlp wrote: post #59
badsectoracula wrote: post #47

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Wouldn't 20 years ago have less people using Mozilla/Firefox since everyone was still using IE6? I remember around that time i was still encountering several (public, not internal) sites that refused to work with anything that wasn't IE6. I think at least nowadays people try to pretend they care about web standards.

As someone doing Web development during 1999 - 2002, on a dotcom startup, there were enough people using Mozzilla browsers.

At the turn of the century, Mozilla are trying to ship a web browser (also to be called Mozilla) based on the work they've got from Netscape. They shipped a series of "M" numbered (ie milestone) releases, which preview what we today think about as normal dynamic HTML but at the time it commonly just crashes the entire browser.

Like, a colleague was working on code that would reach into the DOM and just tweak the CSS for a bunch of items, delete other items, move things around, and maybe 40% of the time it would work as intended, and 60% of the time, boom, dead browser, segmentation fault.

React, where it's just normal for Javascript to rewrite the entire page in response to a keystroke, would have been completely unthinkable, there's no chance you could fill out an entire form before the browser crashed if you do that.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Post by hodapp »

coolcoder613 wrote: post #39
qwerty456127 wrote: post #32

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How would you use WiFi on Haiku if it were there? I thought people mostly use Haiku inside VMs like VirtualBox so network connection goes through an emulated fiber. I dream of Haiku being ported to Raspberry Pi and I even was sadly surprised it isn't - to me the primary value of Raspberry Pi seems it being an uniform standard hardware platform, this sounds like a great enabler for alternative OSes as lack of need to…

Quite a lot of people use Haiku bare metal, and wifi support absolutely is present.

Are you one of them? I am curious what the experience is like trying to use it as anything like a daily system.
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