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Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by solardev »

mhh__ wrote: post #115
solardev wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd never heard of those until your post, and had to look up a Youtube about what they were: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ee-x6IXWK8 That's super fascinating. There's an entire industry that runs off these things, on their totally custom UI, showing everything from stock tickers to news headlines to maps? That must be a fun project to work on (except probably the finance users don't like random UI changes, lol).

The real reason to have bloomberg, other than data, is actually the chat. OTC (things that don't trade on exchanges) markets are a lot closer to ebay or facebook marketplace than many realise, for example, e.g. you ask for a price, possibly haggle a bit, say you want it, behind-the-scenes people scurry off and actually make it happen. When you first activate your terminal bloomberg send you an email congratulating yo…

> The real reason to have bloomberg, other than data, is actually the chat.

Wait, so inside Bloomberg there's like a huge IRC/Discord chat room for all the world's finance people? How does anyone keep up with that kind of volume? I can't even stay on top of my own company's Slack.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

mhh__ wrote: post #115
solardev wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd never heard of those until your post, and had to look up a Youtube about what they were: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ee-x6IXWK8 That's super fascinating. There's an entire industry that runs off these things, on their totally custom UI, showing everything from stock tickers to news headlines to maps? That must be a fun project to work on (except probably the finance users don't like random UI changes, lol).

The real reason to have bloomberg, other than data, is actually the chat. OTC (things that don't trade on exchanges) markets are a lot closer to ebay or facebook marketplace than many realise, for example, e.g. you ask for a price, possibly haggle a bit, say you want it, behind-the-scenes people scurry off and actually make it happen. When you first activate your terminal bloomberg send you an email congratulating yo…

I'll lay odds the core language is FORTRAN or COBOL.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by g15jv2dp »

wruza wrote: post #81
Spivak wrote: post #69

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1. Mobile needs to have somewhat spacious UIs to deal with touch targets needing to be finger sized. 2. Companies don't want to design two very different UIs and by-in-large users prefer their skills transfer across platforms. 3. Accessibility is easier if the design leaves room for bigger font sizes and doesn't require fine motor control. Watching my dad start to noticeably age I'm realizing that even spacious spaci…

>1. This is not true. Mobile platforms do help with tapping on small elements. E.g. HN isn't mobile friendly "as is", but I have no issues with tapping any of the links. I've also used Exante mobile trading terminal for some time and had no issues with it either. I agree that accessibility still is the concern, but watching my grandma struggle with her tablet, it's mostly the fact that buttons aren't buttons and ever…

> This is not true. Mobile platforms do help with tapping on small elements. E.g. HN isn't mobile friendly "as is", but I have no issues with tapping any of the links. I've also used Exante mobile trading terminal for some time and had no issues with it either.

Good for you, maybe your phone screen is huge. I routinely tap on the wrong element when using HN on mobile. Even on desktop I have to set the zoom level to 125%.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by fourthark »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #122
mhh__ wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real reason to have bloomberg, other than data, is actually the chat. OTC (things that don't trade on exchanges) markets are a lot closer to ebay or facebook marketplace than many realise, for example, e.g. you ask for a price, possibly haggle a bit, say you want it, behind-the-scenes people scurry off and actually make it happen. When you first activate your terminal bloomberg send you an email congratulating yo…

I'll lay odds the core language is FORTRAN or COBOL.

Famously huge FORTRAN code base going back to the 80's, although they were wrapping it in C++ and Javascript when I worked there in the aughts.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by tionate »

solardev wrote: post #119
pokepim wrote: post #114

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lol this is probably most famous financial tool on the market. No wonder we have so many new software tools being created daily since some people don’t do basic market research.

I work in UI, but never in finance. I don't even own a stock (is that even the right word?) and have never invested. Anyway, I wish I got to encounter this system earlier in my career... would've loved to experiment with a UI like that! News ticker under a real time map that you can use to drill down to specific regions to see what's going on? It's fascinating. And it looks like their map is using some sort of server…

A bit off topic but it may be worth looking into investing a little (maybe basic index ETFs as suggested by the FIRE movement).

You can fairly quickly get to a point where your investments go up (or down, but more often up) more in a day than your monthly income.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by LoganDark »

reaperman wrote: post #78
jgalt212 wrote: post #74

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DataTables is great. Been using it for 10+ on a single product. We keep looking for a newer and better replacement, but have yet to find it.

Same, absolutely "stuck" with DataTables. It seems to work well even with comprehensive UI frameworks on top of it like SB Admin Pro. Just super easy to integrate DataTables and has 90% of the features I ever want.

Honestly this doesn't even sound like a particularly bad thing. Sort of like how Houdini has literally no competition whatsoever. Like it's actually hilarious how nothing even comes close. It just works so well that nobody can really hope to ever do better, and there is nearly 0 enshittification happening, so its existing users have no reason to ever switch.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by solardev »

Waterluvian wrote: post #57

Having to support mobile throws a big wrench in all design. You suddenly have to worry about a very different viewport and now you’re significantly limited or designing two UIs.

It's half the fun!

I'm biased, but as a frontend dev and sometimes-UI guy, responsive design is one of my favorite parts of the job. It forces me to think creatively (and scientifically, whenever we can actually afford to do testing) on how to present information and create controls for everything from a small iPhone to a giant ultrawide monitor.

I mean, even in the Windows days (as in when most apps were still desktop Windows apps), basic responsiveness was already a thing, since even then you had no guarantee your app was going to be running in fullscreen at 1024*768 only. How your main windows, toolbars, etc. scale to different screen widths & orientations is a fun challenge to solve. Even in gaming, it's fun to see how desktop games (like Terraria) scale their controls down to a phone.

Anyway, for me it usually ends up being about 1.5x the work compared to a single viewport, since most components can still be reused in slightly different arrangements. Menu navigation and information architecture can be tricky though, switching from "broad but shallow" organization to "narrow but deep" hierarchies.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #83

I'm in the final release phase of an app that I have developed over the last month, but it builds on a test app that I wrote, a couple of months ago, and that had multiple screens, showing tabular data, in various forms (and ways to sort and filter said data). Fairly similar process to this, but on a more humble scale. I tested for a while, settled on one form, and made an app for that. It's not the most exciting var…

Just to expand, I have found that the best UI, is the UI that no one notices, appreciates, or compliments.

Bit humbling, but there you have it.

Case in point: I have a fancy “prize wheel spinner” for UIKit, that I wrote, a few years ago[0]. I started working on a SwiftUI version of it, but stopped.

The reason was, because I kept not using it, in my shipping projects. It’s too “in your face.”

Some of the UI approaches that I tried, in my test app, were “sexy,” but I didn’t use any of them. The one I ended up using, was a bit pedestrian.

[0] https://github.com/RiftValleySoftware/RVS_Spinner

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by localfirst »

encodedrose wrote: post #4

Would an accurate comparison be something like perspective? ( https://perspective.finos.org/ ) Is the focus on density around performance, visualization, or something else?

It loaded a lot slower than OP's website which btw the helix tab is just mind blowing.
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