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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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If I were Xi Jinping, I’d step in quite heavily at this point. A few billions in investment would do wonders there. I’m sure a hypersonic nuke base could also be negotiated in return.

Well it turns out Xi is smarter than such idea because he’s learnt from history. Does the name Nikita Khrushchev ring a bell?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

There are a lot of Cubans in the US, their experiences tend to affect the larger American perspective of the country.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Maybe ask the Cubans who left the country?

People who leave a country tend to leave it for a reason. If they liked their life in Cuba presumably they would have stayed. They are probably not a neutral source on Cuba.

Who is a neutral source when asking for the opinion about a dictatorship?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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post #106

I really want people to understand that a sterile term like "economic sanctions" really means "starving them to death". It's not just food. It's the infrastructure necessary to grow food and to have clean drinking water. It's basic medicines, life-saving stuff. What we, as a country, have done and continue to do to Cuba is absolutely unconscionable. It affects us too. Over the last 60+ years there have hundreds of th…

The UN, UK, and EU have no sanctions imposed on Cuba [1]. Why has no other country prevented Cuba from "starving to death?" Honest question. Is the United States so powerful that our trade is the only thing keeping countries alive?

[1] https://globalsanctions.co.uk/region/cuba/

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Politics. Florida used to be swing state in Presidential Elections. The Cuban community in Florida loses their shit if President talks about lifting the sanctions and will vote other way. If all Cubans had settled in California or Wyoming, we likely would have lifted sanctions a long time ago since they wouldn't have as much political power. It's why we lifted sanctions on Vietnam so long ago. Vietnamese who fled mos…

It almost seems the Cuban exiles want the people they left behind in Cuba to suffer as much as possible. What else have the sanctions achieved?

People who left want to put pressure on the government that they hate and they don’t mind sanctioning the people to do it.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Cuban-Americans telling us what Cuba is like sounds ok to me. From what I've heard, they hate Socialists.

How much is that a selection bias (they are the ones that left and went to the US after all)

That's a fair point. One thing I will say, having lived near many in FL at one time, they are some of the most patriotic and pro USA people. I always appreciated that in a way, as I think a lot of us take it for granted.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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post #8

Looks like the main reason is - Cuba's two main benefactors stopped supplying fuel on the cheap, as they have their hands full with their own crises.

I see it as complete opposite. They did it because they could: for a long while, U.S. admitted virtually everyone as a refugee without even an attempt to cook up a plausible story. That happened only in 2022-2024. It's a no brainer to see no one ever wanted to live in Cuba. Trick is having a place to go. Until the politically opportunistic immigration loophole was closed this year, they had.

> Trick is having a place to go. Until the politically opportunistic immigration loophole was closed this year, they had.

What loophole changed?

The Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966 still applies. They get automatic Green Cards. Not sure it is fair to call legislation implicitly giving them work permits and a path to residency a loophole.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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post #80

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

> Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. The only reason it's NOT North Korea is the fact that it "allows" its people to flee to the United States, where by law they may become American citizens. Cuba has extremely effective propaganda - folks forget that it's actually a dictatorship which severely limits freedom of speech and brutally cracks down on protest. Wikipedia ha…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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post #18

If I were Xi Jinping, I’d step in quite heavily at this point. A few billions in investment would do wonders there. I’m sure a hypersonic nuke base could also be negotiated in return.

He’d much rather the USA just invaded it, subjugated all its people while proclaiming that it is a long held part of the post-Kennedy American empire. Fits his narrative better.

I think he’d much rather have a permanent and painful boil on America’s ass, like what the US has in Taiwan. Mexico isn’t cooperating, so maybe Cuba will. There’s precedent for that kind of thing, as well as for US military getting its ass handed to it while trying to “subjugate” Cuba.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

#130
post #18

If I were Xi Jinping, I’d step in quite heavily at this point. A few billions in investment would do wonders there. I’m sure a hypersonic nuke base could also be negotiated in return.

Well it turns out Xi is smarter than such idea because he’s learnt from history. Does the name Nikita Khrushchev ring a bell?

Kruschev got what he wanted. Nukes were removed from Turkey at the time. They’re back now, but only “stored”, not “deployed”.
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