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Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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It also can't produce white or anything else in the interior of this diagram (as well as, as you mention, shades of magenta and purple that lie on the flat lower edge): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Planckia...

The human eye will see white when a pixel flashes through all of the colors quickly in time.

How quickly? Surely well above 1 kHz (1000 FPS). Otherwise you will see flickering.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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> achromatic camera Is that the same as a panchromatic camera? Edit: Asking because I have a 410x410px hyperspectral imager that has an aligned 1886x1886px panchromatic imager that is use to perform pan-sharpening of the HSI data bringing it up to 1886x1886. I'd never heard of a panchromatic camera before I got involved in this business and I've never heard of an achromatic camera either. All I seem to find is achrom…

Yes, "panchromatic" is probably the more accurate term for it. It's just a camera with no color filters and a known spectral response curve that's high enough across the frequencies being imaged.

Ah, yeah, I'd say that fits 'panchromatic camera' then. The panchromatic imager on my setup uses the exact same CCD and covers the exact same spectral range (350nm-1000nm), but it doesn't have the HSI lenses/filters. The company actually sells a smaller unit that is made from the same imager, but with the HS lens/filters.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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A single wavelength can't reproduce all visible colors. These pixels are variable wavelength, but can only produce one at a time, so you'd still need at least 2 of these pixels to reproduce any visible color. The fundamental problem is that color space is 2D[1] (color + brightness is 3D, hence 3 subpixel on traditional displays), but monochromatic light has only 1 dimension to vary for color. [1]: https://en.wikipedi…

This seems like a non-problem, cut the display resolution in half on one axis and reserve two 'subpixels' for each pixel. Then you have a full color display with only one physical pixel type and that needs one less subpixel. These displays could even produce some saturated colors with specific wavelengths that can't be represented on regular rgb displays.

Assuming they can PWM the brightness while getting consistent color (seems reasonable since microLEDs have extremely fast response time) then I think what you're saying would work great. It would be akin to 4:2:2 chroma subsampling where luminance (which we have higher acuity for) gets more fidelity and the resulting image quality is closer to full-res than half-res.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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Emissive means additive, not averaging. Cyan, magenta and yellow are not primaries here. Red and green light adds up to perceptual yellow. Red, green and blue adds up to perceptual white (or grey, at very low luminance). Treating each of these pixels like subpixels (which is arguably a form of dithering) will produce a full color image (at a lower resolution), but given that they did not demonstrate it, color reprodu…

That's not true. Dithering can be used in emissive screens, but dithering is not additive. If you mix red and green with color blending (e.g. by dithering), you get less red and less green in your mix, and therefore the resulting mix (a sort of ochre) is different from additive color mixing (yellow), where the amount of red and green stays the same. Or when you mix black and white, you get white with additive color m…

I am not saying you can use the exact same math as in an image manipulation program, these work with different assumptions. Mixing colors in those is usually not correct anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKnqECcg6Gw

I am saying you can think of subpixels, which already exist, as a form of dithering. Most displays use just three primaries for subpixels - red, green and blue. Their arrangement is fixed, but that is not a limitation of this new technology.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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I understand that one of the big issues with microLED is huge brightness variation between pixels. Due to some kind of uncontrollable (so far) variations in the manufacturing process, some pixels output 1/10 the light (or less) as others. Ultimately the brightness of the whole display is constrained by the least bright pixels because the rest have to be dimmed to match. Judging by their pictures they have not solved…

> I understand that one of the big issues with microLED is huge brightness variation between pixels. Due to some kind of uncontrollable (so far) variations in the manufacturing process, some pixels output 1/10 the light (or less) as others. I instead understand that this is false. Available MicroLED screens (TVs) are in fact brighter than normal screens. The issue with MicroLED is instead that they are extremely expe…

> Available MicroLED screens (TVs) are in fact brighter than normal screens.

Does that in any way contradict the claim that there are large variations in brightness between microLED pixels on the same screen?

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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The human eye will see white when a pixel flashes through all of the colors quickly in time.

How quickly? Surely well above 1 kHz (1000 FPS). Otherwise you will see flickering.

According to this, humans can't see flicker above 100 Hz for most smooth images, but if the image has high frequency spatial edges then they can see flicker up to 500-1000 Hz. It has to do with saccades.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep07861

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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> I understand that one of the big issues with microLED is huge brightness variation between pixels. Due to some kind of uncontrollable (so far) variations in the manufacturing process, some pixels output 1/10 the light (or less) as others. I instead understand that this is false. Available MicroLED screens (TVs) are in fact brighter than normal screens. The issue with MicroLED is instead that they are extremely expe…

> Available MicroLED screens (TVs) are in fact brighter than normal screens. Does that in any way contradict the claim that there are large variations in brightness between microLED pixels on the same screen?

I should have specified that I was talking about microLED microdisplays, as shown in the article. Sounds redundant but there are also large format microLED displays which are manufactured by individually cutting LEDs from a chip and placing them on a different substrate with bigger spacing. This process allows replacing the ones with poor brightness during assembly. For microdisplays, on the other hand, the LEDs are fabricated in place and the not individually moved after. The chip is the display.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

#129

A single wavelength can't reproduce all visible colors. These pixels are variable wavelength, but can only produce one at a time, so you'd still need at least 2 of these pixels to reproduce any visible color. The fundamental problem is that color space is 2D[1] (color + brightness is 3D, hence 3 subpixel on traditional displays), but monochromatic light has only 1 dimension to vary for color. [1]: https://en.wikipedi…

I'm assuming that in most cases they'll just make these act as RGB displays, either by sequentially tuning the wavelength of each pixel to red, green, blue in a loop, or by assigning each pixel to be red, green, or blue and just having them act as subpixels.

Re: Polychromatic Pixels

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> color space is 2D Human eyes have three different color receptors, each tuned for it's own frequency, so it's already 3d. However, apart from human perception, color, just like sound, can have any combinations of frequencies (when you split the signal with Fourier transform), and may animals do have more receptors than us.

In this sense our hearing is much better than our color vision. We can distinguish the combination a huge number of frequencies between 20-20000Hz. But we can only distinguish 3 independent colors of light. Of course our vision is vastly better than hearing for determining where the sound/light comes from.

Total tangent, but is that because of the wavelengths involved? I imagine a “sound camera” would have to be huge to avoid diffraction (but that’s just intuition), requiring impracticality large ears. Likewise i imagine that perceiving “chords” of light requires sensing on really tiny scales, requiring impractically small complex structure in the eyes?

Anybody know the answer?

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