The last collaborative editor that I could use locally successfully was gobby. Currently its development is very slow or seems abandoned. I've been waiting for Zed because it was introduced as something that was "multiplayer-first" from the beginning. Reading the docs now, it looks like I need a feature called "channels" that I couldn't confirm can be used fully locally. Is there a way to use Zed as a collaborative editor fully locally?
Zed on Linux Is Here
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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#122Man, I'm conflicted. I mean, Zed works pretty damn well. So far my biggest annoyance with Zed though is that it's constantly trying to download language servers and other tools and run them. And sure, that's handy, but 1. I don't really want it, I'd much rather only use distribution-provided tools. 2. It doesn't work at all on NixOS, so it's just wasting its time and our bandwidth constantly downloading and trying to…
After we finished prepping this linux launch, we've started work on making this situation better. Follow along here: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/14034
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
They aren't happy with this, either: "[...]And of course, the journey isn't over yet－we'd love your help, particularly if you're excited about: - Helping bring Zed to your distro. Either by packaging Zed or by making Zed work the way it should in your environment (we know many people want to manage language servers by themselves).[...]" Give them a hand ;) https://zed.dev/docs/development/linux#notes-for-packaging-z.…
I sympathize with the situation that Zed developers are in. They are thinking of the user experience first and foremost, and when trying to distribute on Linux, faced with an overgrown, chaotic landscape that utterly fails to provide the basic needs of application developers, such as the ability to distribute a binary that has no dependencies on any one particular distribution and can open a window and interact with…
> I sympathize with the situation that Zed developers are in. They are thinking of the user experience first and foremost, and when trying to distribute on Linux, faced with an overgrown, chaotic landscape that utterly fails to provide the basic needs of application developers, such as the ability to distribute a binary that has no dependencies on any one particular distribution and can open a window and interact with the graphics driver, or the ability to require permissions from the user to do certain things.
But Linux does provide a very simple and easy way to do this — Flatpaks. They're completely distro-independent, allow you to package up and distribute exactly the dependencies and environment your program needs to run with no distro maintainers fucking with it, allow you to request permission to talk to the graphics drivers and anything else you need, and you can build it and distribute it directly yourself without having to go through a million middlemen. It's pretty widely used and popular, and has made the silent majority of Linux users' lives much better, although there's a minority of grognards that complain endlessly about increased disk usage.
Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#124Cool to see a new editor in the arena with a lot of resources behind it, but I'm trying to find the selling point besides "it's really quick". Great feature but there's a lot more stuff I need for a truly outstanding editor, what are the novel pieces? The bar is ridiculously for editors (vim & emacs configurability, vscode just works, jetbrains can do it all) - what will/does it bring to the table to compete?
As a Zed developer, our killer feature is the parallel programming that our software enables. It's like pairing without the terrible parts.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I specified the modal editing I was referring to how the workspace search in Zed brings up each result in an editable "window" allowing me to make edits across my whole project from 1 tab. VSCode's workspace search feels much more limited in comparison.
That sounds like an interesting feature. Could you provide a link that gives more information about it? I am not finding it in the docs.
We call them 'multibuffers' :D
Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
but vscode is open source: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode and there are third-party builds from the community that disable things like telemetry: https://vscodium.com/
The problem is that many parts of the ecosystem require that you use the official MS build. You can't connect to the Marketplace and some extensions outright can't be used with a custom build.
You can however down the extension from the website and install it from the terminal.
codium --install-extension {path to .vsix}
Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#127> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…
My question is why they didn't just make a Flatpak. Then they and their users wouldn't need to go through any of this hassle and distro fragmentation at all. Even if they didn't want to publish it on Flathub, Flatpak supports single file packages people can directly install as well.
Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#128Definitely looks pretty rough so far (running Debian GNOME) -- font rendering looks wonky, and resizing the window is slow and unresponsive. But I'm very optimistic for what's to come!
Check out our troubleshooting page, you might not be utilizing the GPU!
https://zed.dev/docs/linux#troubleshooting
If that doesn't work for you, please file an issue, and let us know whether you're using Wayland or X11 :)
Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
My only problem with VSCode is that it's owned by Microsoft. I'm willing to put up with some extra friction if it allows me to escape their ecosystem even a little bit. My general rule is if I can get at most of what I need from the open source version of something, I use it. Even if it's less user friendly.
but vscode is open source: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode and there are third-party builds from the community that disable things like telemetry: https://vscodium.com/
You mean except for all of the good plugins. Or the ability to use a custom plugin store. Last I read, the open builds struggled with removing all of the MS telemetry and some may still be leaking.
Re: Zed on Linux Is Here
#130> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…
> This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux You might want to tell the rest of the software world how unnacceptable it is, because a huge amount of software, and especially dev tooling, is installed in this exact way. It's especially hard for young or fast moving projects, most distro packaging just isn't very compatible with this velocity. I'm personally on NixOS , which usually makes it easy to alw…
>I don't want to end up with 15 different third party apt repositories
I would love to add 15 different third party apt repositories, I wish more projects used them, you're running whatever binary they give you anyway
I guess this is just another example of how hard it is to please all linux users!