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Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by Gormo » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 8:48 PM UTC

wk_end wrote: post #113

Gormo wrote: post #94

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> I'm a native English (Canadian) speaker and, given this context, would never pronounce "morph-y" as "morph why" (if that pronunciation was intended I'd capitalize the Y and probably not hyphenate it, "Morph Y"). Words conjoined with hyphens are always pronounced separately in normal usage -- the only exception I can think of is the special use case of hyphens representing continuations of a single word across a lin…

So, this morning I happened to be reading a crossword blog - written by an English professor - and, reflecting on this conversation, thought, "Jeez, I'll bet Rex Parker uses the -y construct." So I scrolled back a few pages in his archives, and sure enough, earlier this month he described something as "bro-y" [0]. In case you still feel like you're more of an authority on whether this is acceptable in colloquial Engl…

As I mentioned in another comment, I think using the hyphen to eliminate ambiguity where it would otherwise create a word form that's easily confused with, or sounds like, another word entirely is perfectly reasonable. The "sting-y" and "bro-y" examples seem consistent with this, but "morph-y" doesn't quite.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by spacebanana7 » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 8:53 PM UTC

jampekka wrote: post #114

spacebanana7 wrote: post #90

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> You can argue divine right of kings or white supremacy from political necessity. Those arguments can be incorrect without entailing all arguments from political necessity are false. I can incorrectly argue a justification of the flat earth theory from physics - but that would discredit my own intellect rather than the subject of physics. > Some kind of systems to allocate scarce resources is needed. This doesn't ha…

> Those arguments can be incorrect without entailing all arguments from political necessity are false. > I can incorrectly argue a justification of the flat earth theory from physics - but that would discredit my own intellect rather than the subject of physics. Do you mean the right to (certain very specific form of) property is somehow an empirically shown fact like the geometry of the earth? Am I right in guessing…

> Do you mean the right to (certain very specific form of) property is somehow an empirically shown fact like the geometry of the earth?

> Am I right in guessing that you have inclination towards praxeology?

Yes for both. I’ve not formalised it but I suspect we can a draw a line from philosophy -> game theory -> evolutionary dynamics -> socially stable systems of “rights”

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by __loam » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 9:18 PM UTC

jampekka wrote: post #23

__loam wrote: post #10

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AI developers don't care about intellectual property.

Which is a positive turn of events. Intellectual property as a concept needs to go.

Interesting that most engineers have this view despite their paycheck largely depending on ip

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by __loam » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 9:23 PM UTC

jampekka wrote: post #34

jsheard wrote: post #28

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It's a one-way street with AI companies though, they are against IP protection for training data but support IP protection for the product of that training. Read the TOS/license of nearly any big model and it's clear the creator considers it and its output to be their IP and they will fight to restrict how you can use it for commercial purposes or training competing models, because those being a free-for-all would ge…

Sure. And I wouldn't be surprised if e.g. Micr.. OpenAI can manage to brib.. convince a judge to make government to enforce this by force. But how ML is at least currently developing, other megacorporations and universities are only a year or so behind OpenAI etc, and publishing their weights and models. Of course disregarding training set IP because otherwise keeping up would be impossible. If the media and advertis…

If they ban training on IP, it's not unlikely that GPT 4 would be subject to algorithmic disgorgement

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by __loam » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

worldsayshi wrote: post #78

jampekka wrote: post #23

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Which is a positive turn of events. Intellectual property as a concept needs to go.

I think intellectual property is necessary given the current way the economy works. But we should strive for evolving how the economy works.

I agree but in the mean time, stealing from millions of artists and writers to build systems with the goal of replacing them is incredibly shitty.

If we lived in an economic system where people don't starve or lose their house when they don't have a job then I wouldn't care. Until then, OpenAI and its ilk are looters.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by __loam » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 9:32 PM UTC

selestify wrote: post #68

ADeerAppeared wrote: post #40

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No. AI firms are a good example of precisely why copyright was put in place. Right now, AI is taking people's original works and rehashing them in a way that directly competes with the original work . Some AI firms (e.g. perplexity) just have their LLMs paraphrase the work lightly. This is a problem because it drives original work out of business. Even setting aside matters of originality, artistic value, and AI bein…

We should find new ways to fund essential services like journalism and the arts, rather than artificially crimping the possibilities of new technology in order to get a half-assed solution under the current paradigm.

Until we find the political will to do that, creating products that fuck over journalism is shitty.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by jampekka » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 9:48 PM UTC

spacebanana7 wrote: post #122

jampekka wrote: post #114

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> Those arguments can be incorrect without entailing all arguments from political necessity are false. > I can incorrectly argue a justification of the flat earth theory from physics - but that would discredit my own intellect rather than the subject of physics. Do you mean the right to (certain very specific form of) property is somehow an empirically shown fact like the geometry of the earth? Am I right in guessing…

> Do you mean the right to (certain very specific form of) property is somehow an empirically shown fact like the geometry of the earth? > Am I right in guessing that you have inclination towards praxeology? Yes for both. I’ve not formalised it but I suspect we can a draw a line from philosophy -> game theory -> evolutionary dynamics -> socially stable systems of “rights”

I'm all for socially stable systems of "rights". And deriving theories from assumptions is all good. Where I depart from praxeology is that I think the assumptions must be changed when they lead to empirically invalid conclusions.

Also, I don't believe ownership rights like we have currently lead to stable societies. This is kind of core of Marx's critique of capitalism.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by spacebanana7 » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 11:19 PM UTC

jampekka wrote: post #127

spacebanana7 wrote: post #122

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> Do you mean the right to (certain very specific form of) property is somehow an empirically shown fact like the geometry of the earth? > Am I right in guessing that you have inclination towards praxeology? Yes for both. I’ve not formalised it but I suspect we can a draw a line from philosophy -> game theory -> evolutionary dynamics -> socially stable systems of “rights”

I'm all for socially stable systems of "rights". And deriving theories from assumptions is all good. Where I depart from praxeology is that I think the assumptions must be changed when they lead to empirically invalid conclusions. Also, I don't believe ownership rights like we have currently lead to stable societies. This is kind of core of Marx's critique of capitalism.

I actually think we do live in very socially stable societies. Not to say it’s always a good thing.

But we do have clear systems of who gets power, through what means, and what they can do with it. The various classes of society have a relatively peaceful system of competing with one another.

I’m writing from a British perspective but it largely applies to most developed countries.

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Post by Lockal » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 7:18 AM UTC

clwg wrote: post #85

maxerickson wrote: post #58

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What's the useful frame of reference? Looking better than other things that are also bad is sort interesting in that it represents progress in some direction, but it isn't very interesting to people outside of the topic.

For me I use the Will Smith video[0] from just over a year ago. Compared to the examples it's a pretty stark difference. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/yes-v...

Yes, people learned not to generate other people eating. Current SOTA models still have no concept of walking (left leg, right leg, left leg, right leg; it's so complicated?), there is no reason to believe that they have learned the peculiarities of food consumption.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by jampekka » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 10:30 AM UTC

spacebanana7 wrote: post #128

jampekka wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for socially stable systems of "rights". And deriving theories from assumptions is all good. Where I depart from praxeology is that I think the assumptions must be changed when they lead to empirically invalid conclusions. Also, I don't believe ownership rights like we have currently lead to stable societies. This is kind of core of Marx's critique of capitalism.

I actually think we do live in very socially stable societies. Not to say it’s always a good thing. But we do have clear systems of who gets power, through what means, and what they can do with it. The various classes of society have a relatively peaceful system of competing with one another. I’m writing from a British perspective but it largely applies to most developed countries.

Europe had two world wars in the last century, and there's a major war right now. The (private) economy has collapsed at least twice. The post-war stability was largely due to reigning in private propery rights.

From a Finnish perspective, where ownership rights are somewhat lesser, the British system's trajectory didn't seem particularly stable when I lived there 2019-2020, and looks even less so now.