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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Please, would people in the US mind learning the meaning of "socialism"? Then talking about the far right in the EU... the US has nothing to brag about. You guys don't have a left side at all: it's right vs far right there.

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There are multiple parties described as far-right in EU countries.

Hungary has Fidesz, Germany has Alternative für Deutschland, the Sweden Democrats are almost far-right (apparently), etc.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!

There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ?

If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Dear HNautes, Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing. It might even have an adversarial effect. If you want to be helpful, please consider more strategic alternatives such raising awareness among the general public, writing thoughtful arguments, or joining specialized non-profits or political parties.

> Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing

Nobody likes this. A concise, thoughtful call or message carries a premium in the states, but only if you’re demonstrably a constituent.

The reason is simple: it shows conviction. If you’re willing to pick up the phone, you might be willing to stump for an opponent. If you’re unwilling to do that, or are raving at the politician such that you would never be won over by them, you’re messaging you’re a lost cause.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Tell me more how all the money transfers are neoliberal? How the “creating of european idea” is neoliberal? How “we must have minimal taxes in europe” is neoliberal. Industrial subsidies for car and aeroplane companies. Compulsary social and retirement policies. In EU socialism is the norm, everything outside is branded almost extreme right. And right is a bad word in EU. If you take right and cut out russian support…

> If you take right and cut out russian support, keep taxes and less money distribution, promote personal tesponsibility you are still extreme right. That describes to a T the French party "Les Republicains", and nobody calls them far right. So no, you need the extremist "migrants bad" with zero nuance, heavy doses of populism with no foundation, promises of more money distribution (in France, the Front National is p…

> in France, the Front National is promising raising the minimum wage, bringing back the wealth tax, and other such populist "give money to the real people" things

These are not populist things…

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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The folks over at Tuta interviewed Patrick Breyer about this yesterday and his explanation of Chat Control is downright sinister. Link here: https://youtu.be/wSEI-dg3Hpo Let's keep spreading the word about this, the whole Chat Control debate seems to be ignored right now in the media.

ofc, some guy at every TV channel can't wait to call up his homie at that gov. institution that gets to process all that data. marketaching*can y'all here the cashier dancing?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.

And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.

Passing is one thing. They waste everyone's time by threatening to pass idiotic legislation every 6 months. But perhaps that is the goal so people do not investigate why the EU is getting poorer and all money goes into housing and healthcare.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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I self-host a standard XMPP server for my family. Let's see how long it takes before this is illegal too.

At the end, it could be a OS-based scanning, so no matter if the message is encrypted in transit, or self-hosted, then if the message is displayed it could be transmitted and scanned. Nobody wants terrorists, right ?

That will never fly in every Linux distribution (if any at all), so there’s never going to be a way to stop this for even reasonably proficient criminals.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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There are multiple parties described as far-right in EU countries. Hungary has Fidesz, Germany has Alternative für Deutschland, the Sweden Democrats are almost far-right (apparently), etc.

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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I'm going to be the controversial one here and just claim that more harm is currently done by unrestricted social media than any privacy invasions. Predators have free reign to do whatever they wish anonymously and get away with it. I don't want a dystopian big brother watching over my back, but that's where we are going if somebody doesn't come up with alternatives to control the abuse. I would personally vote for g…

thing is, this chat control will not help. Criminals will use illegal tools while all the rest of the population will be subject to gov investigation (including monitoring political adversaries). And that's one thing - if the system is wrongly implemented, this backdoor could be accessed by 3'rd parties/hackers and at that point it would be a clown show. Unrestricted social media is another problem that should be solved, it'll not be solved by this law, in fact it may worsen it if certain actors will want to alter backdoor mechanism so that the access to all the data will not be shared only with govt
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