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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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"Fun" Fact: it's currently the European championships in football (soccer) in Europe (probably the biggest event of the year), so it's the perfect opportunity to sneak this through without too many people noticing.

How does this allow for it to be sneakily applied, as you suggest ?

The public, as a group, can only keep a small number of subjects in focus at a time. This feels like a phenomenon that I take for granted to be true but I haven't heard any name for it or read any studies.

It really feels like a symptomatic phenomenon of our time.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#122

PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will a…

Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.

Why don’t you instead look at the number of people killed throughout the globe as a result of China and then compare that to the number with the West.

Literally soul destroying. As in life destroying.

Meta data kills people. Now it’s moving way further than meta data..

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.

western democracy is good for people in the west. not other countless nations that have been enslaved, colonized, invaded, subjugated, stripped in the name of democracy and religion. Russia, CCP etc are horrible too - but let us not forget history. The Global South Remembers.

Western nations aren't solely responsible for insufficient historical education.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

Crime, whether CSAM or drugs or theft, all have a component in the real-world: it’s never purely in messaging.

Stop the CSAM where it’s being created. Catch the drug manufacturers and distributors. Etc. do police work.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Can someone explain to me why, over time, democratic states tend to drift into mass surveillance ? Is it beacuse a lot of people feel unsafe or is it because the people supposed to ensure our security see it as the "easiest" or most effective way to do their job? Is there so much benefit to having a fuctioning mass surveilance apparatus, and if yes, who benefits of it if not the people for whom these rules for in the…

In this case it's not really about mass surveillance. I genuinely do not believe it's the intended purpose (even if it is the actual outcome).

The issue is that Europe is behind in tech; particularly big communication networks (aka: social networks). One key element here is that the amount of taxes paid by the Facebooks and co. is ridiculously low and their importance in the economy is getting bigger and bigger. This causes a significant risk for the future.

Any attempt that we made to combat this on the technological aspect has been a complete failure.

To protect its citizen, Europe uses the biggest weapon at its disposal: regulations. The point is not to impose mass surveillance, nor is it to protect the children; the point is to hurt social networks because they are perceived as a threat (real or not). Hammer them with regulations until it's almost impossible to comply, if possible by implementing conflicting ideas (protect privacy of everyone BUT check every image for child pornography !).

The desired outcome is that: either the social network goes out of Europe, or decides to accept the fines, which more or less corresponds to what Europe believes should have been paid by a fair tax system.

Expect the exact same thing to happen with AI.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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> And EU professionals like lawyers, journalists, and physicians could no longer uphold their duty to confidentiality online.

This is the point that needs to be hammered home. Allowing governments access to everyone's confidential information is a massive security disaster waiting to happen because bad actor's will target this backdoor.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#127

Can someone explain to me why, over time, democratic states tend to drift into mass surveillance ? Is it beacuse a lot of people feel unsafe or is it because the people supposed to ensure our security see it as the "easiest" or most effective way to do their job? Is there so much benefit to having a fuctioning mass surveilance apparatus, and if yes, who benefits of it if not the people for whom these rules for in the…

The issue is the rise of mass surveillance tech, which makes it too easy. Also, tech creates new threats (including terror plots, protecting children etc) which drive demand for the surveillance.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#128

It took a bit of time but we are finally reaching sovietic dream of mass surveillance. We just need extremist to be in power (oh wait!) so it can be enabled for other purposes and we'll get full powered Stasi.

Well they do keep electing communists in Europe so it makes sense the Soviet dream state is near completion.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is exactly the EU governance that lacks democratic representation, enabling unfavoured politicians to remain in significant power. You can only elect MEPs (via party lists) locally. The majority of legalislation is drafted by the technocratic European Commission and legislation is mostly passed through parlaiment unchanged from there. There are many nationally disgraced politicians seating in the EP, EC or…

Yes, this is called a representative democracy. The fix is to vote for representatives who represent your values. Or run yourself.

Representative in what way? 700 MEPs for about 450M people means each one has 640k "constituents". Those "constituents" are really a fraction each person all smeared about. Lastly if they were actual people and an MEP were to hold a consultation to get their views it gives each person less than 1 minute each year assuming the MEP was available 24/7/365.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#130

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

You realize criminals can stack infinitely many layers of encryption onto any compromised (govt-controlled) channel right? So how is "Chat Control" supposed to be the solution??
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