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Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by NicoJuicy »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #82
hankman86 wrote: post #64

They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.

But it's... out right now. You can literally use it today.

Not much better than assisted driving, which actually says what it does.

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Post by epolanski »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #94
ENGNR wrote: post #70

How does Tesla FSD fair against the Waymo self driving taxis? I'm curious about whether self driving is still an impossible task right now, or if it's just a matter of quality between companies - in which case it's possibly a fair bet being made by Telsa execs that they'll bridge the gap given time and money.

The Waymo cars drive themselves without (in person) supervision. As best as I can tell from three rides, they do it perfectly. However the range is limited to city streets in a few cities, no interstates at all (they are adding this soon.) The Tesla FSD even at v12 can go about five minutes before I have to intervene. If you’re extremely tolerant and don’t care what other drivers think (eg weird slow behavior at stop…

#2 doesn't sound too bad if you only need to intervene at times, the number of workers is way smaller than the one of taxis.

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Post by yread »

devnull3 wrote: post #114
deng wrote: post #54

And please keep in mind that this is pretty much in the optimal settings for FSD: great weather, huge streets, everything is as "car friendly" as it gets. I'd like to see FSD navigating an old Italian city, there's just no way. Even in car-friendly Germany you very often have streets with side-parking, which are too narrow to fit two cars, you need to communicate with oncoming cars, for instance by waving or flashing…

> old Italian city Try traffic in India [1][2] If it were a game, then India will be the last boss fight in ultra-hard mode. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPiP9PkLAs [2] https://youtu.be/WC2FUEmKEu8?t=412

Do you mean like this?

https://youtu.be/4EJLmIC9cJE?si=gincFsBUzYwQmtIs

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by musha68k »

Good analysis but did many people miss what happened during the Tham Luang cave rescue?

One of his most terrible (failed) marketing stunts:

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Elon-Musk-accuse-the-cave-dive...

> I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by FrojoS »

xnx wrote: post #90
ENGNR wrote: post #70

How does Tesla FSD fair against the Waymo self driving taxis? I'm curious about whether self driving is still an impossible task right now, or if it's just a matter of quality between companies - in which case it's possibly a fair bet being made by Telsa execs that they'll bridge the gap given time and money.

Waymo does 50K paid trips per week without a driver behind the wheel. Tesla does zero. Waymo is a business. Tesla FSD is currently just a tech demo.

And Tesla is selling FSD for thousands of dollars per activation. Waymo technology is awesome, but I'm pretty sure, right now it's a money-losing business for its owner, Google.

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Post by drcode »

jasoncartwright wrote: post #75
iknowstuff wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD 12 is not used on freeways. City streets only. You’re observing behavior of the old stack if you’re seeing notices for lane change reasoning. They’ll be unifying it later this year.

Ah yes, of course - we just have to wait for the next version. The response seen in the Twitter replies, YouTube comments and now HN comments to descriptions of FSD foulups for the best part of a decade now.

he/she was explicitly saying v12 was making an error, and someone corrected to say that it wasn't using v12 yet in that specific case

nobody is trying to shift goalposts

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Post by vasco »

hbarka wrote: post #120
hankman86 wrote: post #64

They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.

Ford’s Blue Cruise is hands-off in mapped highways. Waymo is driverless. Musk is really getting away with all the hype for what Tesla cruise control delivers.

One interesting bit is that recently Nvidia's CEO said Tesla is ahead of the other companies in the space. My opinion is also that Tesla isn't but then we have a connundrum. Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them?

> “Tesla is far ahead in self-driving cars,” Huang said in an exclusive interview with Yahoo Finance.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-ceo-says-tesla-far-ahe...

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Post by archagon »

disillusioned wrote: post #26

I just completed my trial and it was better than I expected, and yet still utterly terrifying at bits. It still feels _very_ far off from being able to safely navigate and negotiate only medium-complexity environments, but maybe the vaunted 12.4/12.5 update will change all of that. For example: * It still won't change in or out of a solid line HOV lane here in Arizona. Feels like an easy fix, but there it is * I have…

> At one point, the FSD/AP engine itself crashed on me while fully engaged. Unfortunately, this happened on a freeway connector ramp with a pretty steep curve, and when it crashed, it disengaged the steering wheel and sent us careening towards the barrier

It seems the lessons of Therac-25 were not only ignored, but thoroughly trampled underfoot. WTF.

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Post by [deleted] »

choeger wrote: post #42

What everyone seems to be ignoring when it comes to autonomous cars is that the last 1% or 0.1% or whatever remains unsolvable for "AI" might not really matter. We can change roads, ffs! At the bare minimum, we could fence off difficult areas and force manual driving. Once many people own an autonomous car, there will be pressure to make roads safe and convenient for them. Phantom braking for instance, is only a safe…

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Post by henearkr »

cess11 wrote: post #117
michaelt wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC it's an vision-only ML-based system. So the answer to "why" is probably "we don't know lol"

Right. Scary stuff. I'm not excited to drive a cheap second-hand ICE car, but the fanciness stops at AC and 3.5 mm AUX-jack on the stereo, and that's pretty nice. If I wanted to I could do service and repairs myself.

You can also just have a dumb EV and thus do a favor to both your own safety and the survivability of the planet. EV does not automatically entail AI-assist.
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