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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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This is not software segmentation though. The Pro's OLED display is really a different hardware component that supports varible refresh rates down to 1Hz ("Pro Motion")

I think if that was the real reason, then the feature would be available but default to off on the non-pro version

That is absolutely not how Apple operates, especially on the iPhone. The

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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> It's not about running arbitrary code But it is. Microsoft just doesn't want home users to run Hyper-V, without paying for a (slightly) more expensive Windows Pro license. Home users still can download free VirtualBox or whatever other solution they care to use. They can also upgrade to a Pro license in-place, by paying $100. This is all perfectly normal. iPadOS is completely different. Apple does not _allow_ users…

No, I mean, "not allowing you to run arbitrary code" is just a side-effect , not the design choice . The design choice is market segmentation. In the Windows case, they can enforce your inability to install/enable Hyper-V on Windows Home through simple measures like protecting system files from modification. But in the iPadOS case, the only way to really prevent you from running a macOS VM, is by preventing you from…

Their stranglehold on app distribution is absolutely a design choice, and it's done to continue harvesting a 30% tax of as much as they can get away with.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Asahi Linux supports nested virtualization on Apple Silicon M2, where the feature is present in the chip, but not exposed by macOS.

I was shopping for a phone some time ago. iP14 Pro had always-on display while non-Pro version didnt. Apple justified it by non-Pro having lcd, while Pro having Oled. Next year iP15, both non-Pro and Pro have Oled, but again only Pro has always-on display. Honestly that is the reason I am still on my Note9, and looking for another Android. I understand what product segmentation is, and probably I am minority, but dam…

>Apple justified it by non-Pro having lcd, while Pro having Oled.

Did Apple explicitly say something to that effect, or is it just the media or random comments who made this justification on their behalf?

In any case, besides concerns for "best performance/more battery" etc and enabling stuff were it's more well supported, Apple also puts different specs to different models for reasons of product differentation / price segmentation.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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No, I mean, "not allowing you to run arbitrary code" is just a side-effect , not the design choice . The design choice is market segmentation. In the Windows case, they can enforce your inability to install/enable Hyper-V on Windows Home through simple measures like protecting system files from modification. But in the iPadOS case, the only way to really prevent you from running a macOS VM, is by preventing you from…

> No, I mean, "not allowing you to run arbitrary code" is just a side-effect, not the design choice. The design choice is market segmentation. It absolutely is a design choice. Apple wants to control all the code that runs on users' devices. Market segmentation is merely a side-effect.

>Apple wants to control all the code that runs on users' devices. Market segmentation is merely a side-effect.

You have cause and effect reversed

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Nested virtualization is running virtual machines inside other virtual machines. Like the movie inception

thank you, I am a noob. This sound like an amazing addition. Would this mean I could run a linux distro on an ipad which has M3 chip?

No, iPadOS doesn’t have virtualization support, only macOS does.

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Since when does Raspberry Pi ship with a 4:3 Retina display? Does the Mercedes self-brick after 7 years?

You don't need a retina display for those things, thus proving my point. It's a waste of resources. I have an iPad mini 2 and Air 2, which still work after almost a decade of use.

Customers who paid for a Retina display can apply their hardware to use cases which fall in the simplistic market segmentation between headless SBC and slate.

The utility of a working Retina display need not be limited by unsupported and insecure software when connected to public networks.

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There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

I have a 12 year old iPad running as a photo frame. Doesn’t get security updates, but then again it stays at home with only a single app running. One of the things that keeps fascinating me about Apple is how they keep coming out with better and better iPads, even though they don’t seem to have any real competition. Take the new iPad Pro. It’s super thin, got a brand new tandem OLED screen that goes up to 1000 nits a…

Do you run any specific app for photo frame or just included Photos app?

I have an old iPad, haven’t been using it so this gave me an idea.

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I think if that was the real reason, then the feature would be available but default to off on the non-pro version

That is absolutely not how Apple operates, especially on the iPhone. The

Uh, yes it's not.

Wasn't that the point? Apple loves to use such artificial segmentation to upsell their products

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I was shopping for a phone some time ago. iP14 Pro had always-on display while non-Pro version didnt. Apple justified it by non-Pro having lcd, while Pro having Oled. Next year iP15, both non-Pro and Pro have Oled, but again only Pro has always-on display. Honestly that is the reason I am still on my Note9, and looking for another Android. I understand what product segmentation is, and probably I am minority, but dam…

You would NOT want to use always-on with lcd.

Like 10 yo Nokia had it on LCD screen and it was fine, both readability and battery life.

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But which software stack? Android? Windows? Both are barely usable and for the most common tasks iPadOS is sadly miles ahead.

Android is just fine. Unless you're an artist who actually wants the super fancy pen interactions and display, there's really not that much difference. You may be more used to one over the other, but I guarantee it works the other way too.

I know many non-artists who want high refresh rate displays and low latency stylus input. It’s not “super fancy”. Let’s not move the goalposts; the iPad hardware is years beyond any other tablet.

Android is not “just fine”. The hardware available is relatively low quality compared to the iPad.

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