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AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by aurareturn »

Hikikomori wrote: post #105
aurareturn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not year over year. It's 2 years. It's disappointing because M4 is significantly ahead. I would expect Zen to make a bigger leap to catch up. Also, this small leap opens up for Intel's Arrow Lake to take the lead.

Process node advantage is real.

Of course it's real. But not only is M4 significantly faster in ST, it'll probably 3-4x more efficient than Zen5 mobile just like how M3 is against Zen4 mobile.

This difference in efficiency cannot be explained by node advantage alone as N3E vs N4 is probably around only 15-20% more efficient.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by nottorp »

fourfour3 wrote: post #120
aaomidi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t wait for my games to start hallucinating narration.

Exactly this. I want plot/character driven games like RPGs to be a curated & carefully designed, plotted, and paced experience. I want speech & narrative to be scripted! It means someone sat down and thought about the experience it produces for the player. It means a real voice actor has performed it, putting the right emotion and pacing into the line. I don't want AI generated stilted dialogue, uncanny valley speech…

But... that would be ... "making video games". The large "video game companies" would rather "create content" and use the cheapest possible option.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by aurareturn »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #72
phonon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look at the Geekbench 6 component. https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench6-benchmark-internals... (page 18)

Thanks, Clang looks good, now I need to check how to sort CPUs/systems by the Clang benchmark, no success for now. "Randomly" picking 14900K 215.3 Klines/sec 7950x 230.3 Klines/sec M2 Ultra 233.9 Klines/sec M3 Max 196.5 Klines/sec

Single thread:

M3 Max: 3898

7950x: 2951

The ST advantage of Apple Silicon is real. 7950x does do better in highly parallel tasks.

To me, Apple Silicon is clearly leading clients over AMD/Intel. Hence, my original reason for why AMD's announcement isn't "exciting". Because Apple Silicon is so far ahead in client.

Of course, AMD can crank up the core via Epyc/Threadripper and Apple has no answer. For that, you'd need to look into ARM chips from Ampere/Amazon for a competitor.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by nickjj »

doikor wrote: post #28
gautamcgoel wrote: post #3

Surprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.

> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2. The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging. Basically when things go wrong and you want to debug what is broken (remove GPU from machine and see if things work)

Another advantage of having an integrated GPU is you can do a GPU pass-through and let a VM directly and fully use your dedicated GPU.

This could be a thing if you're running native Linux but some games only work on Windows which you run in a VM instead of dual booting.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by the8472 »

erinnh wrote: post #112
DEADMINCE wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just had a look and the comparison website I use Which website is that?

geizhals.de Very good website to compare gadgets/electronics and look for good prices. Its for the German market though (and some small amount of Austrian shops)

skinflint.co.uk is the english-language frontend of the same site

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by ubercore »

doikor wrote: post #28
gautamcgoel wrote: post #3

Surprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.

> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2. The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging. Basically when things go wrong and you want to debug what is broken (remove GPU from machine and see if things work)

> The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging.

That's wildly not true. Transcoding, gaming, multiple displays, etc. They are often used as any other GPU would be used.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by WithinReason »

aaomidi wrote: post #96
jiggawatts wrote: post #91

I wonder when the PC world will transition to unified memory and more monolithic architectures as seen in the Apple M-series chips, but also in the NVIDIA GB200 "superchip", the AMD MI300 accelerator, the X-Box and Playstation consoles, and even in some mobile phone system-on-a-chip designs. It feels like the PC is the "last holdout" of discrete upgradeable components with relatively low bandwidth between them. Soone…

I can’t wait for my games to start hallucinating narration.

This but unironically

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by re-thc »

vegabook wrote: post #102
mmaniac wrote: post #86

AMD seem to be playing it safe this with this desktop generation. Same node, similar frequencies, same core counts, same IOD, X3D chips only arriving later... IPC seems like the only noteworthy improvement here. 15% overall is good but nothing earth shattering. The mobile APUs are way more interesting.

Geekbench Ryzen 9 7950x is 2930 max, so if we're generous and give the 9950x 15% uplift we'll be at 3380, which is still 400 points or so behind apple silicon for a much higher clock speed and a multiplier larger power draw. Also the max memory bandwidth at 70GB/s or so is basically pathetic, trounced by ASi.

> which is still 400 points or so behind apple silicon for a much higher clock speed and a multiplier larger power draw

Not a fair comparison. If we're on about Geekbench as per the announcement, it's +35%. The 15% is a geomean. It might not be better but definitely not far off Apple.

In a similar manner, except Geekbench the geomean of M3 vs M4 isn't that great either.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by JonChesterfield »

doikor wrote: post #28
gautamcgoel wrote: post #3

Surprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.

> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2. The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging. Basically when things go wrong and you want to debug what is broken (remove GPU from machine and see if things work)

They also mean you can drive monitors using the builtin GPU while using dedicated ones for compute.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by orphea »

gautamcgoel wrote: post #46
AlfeG wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DDR5 speeds up to 56000MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM) Not sure that I actually CAN. 56 GHz is already a lot.

Fixed, thanks :)

5600 are MT/s (megatransfers/second), not MHz ;)
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