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Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by ivanhoe »

nasir wrote: post #51
ivanhoe wrote: post #36

I don't get why people keep using the default recommendations? The whole point of twitter was that you manually pick who to follow and see just that. And you still can do that, use the Following tab and it'll work just the same as the day 1. For extra points you can create lists so that you can group people and fine-tune your timeline...

The chronological order is quite subobtimal. You still want to discover new content/ideas/conversation. It's easy to miss out on a lot of what your followers have been tweeting if you don't check it 24/7. On the other hand, when you sit for an hour to check twitter, the following tab will dry-out immediately and you can't discover anything new unless you go to the For You tab which is basically a mix of stuff. Indeed…

My experience is different, perhaps because I follow people from both Europe and US (and some in Australia and Asia), so around the clock I always have 10-20 new tweets to go through, which is just as much of social noise that I have time for anyway... but it's still the most reliable source of information for my home country daily politics (because local media is censored heavily) and also gives me a good bird-view on what's going on with web-dev and AI industries (my primary professional interest). I have accounts on all alternative platforms, but none is giving me even nearly that good signal/noise ratio...

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by davidguetta »

prmoustache wrote: post #119
davidguetta wrote: post #118

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> If as you say the issue are kanaks being racists against foreigners, that means the non kanak french people living there are indeed foreigners. You are only confirming they are colons So by your logic arab people in Europe are colons and should GTFO ? The reality is that migration happen and territory dont belong to a special skin color. Saying the opposite and hatin people who were born on the same territory just…

> So by your logic arab people in Europe are colons and should GTFO ? Which Arab people? Is there an arab government who has invaded, maintained a force presence, set up its own political institutions, decimated the population with diseases, exploited the indigenous population, and that is sending police forces from its mainland to a european country to maintain control in the last 2 centuries? You are mixing up migr…

I think YOU are mixing up migration and colonization.

It's not colonization when you organize 3 referendums for self-determination, and indigenous cultures have their own senate. Non-indigenous people who were born there have as much right to be there than "indigenous" people, same as arabs born in Europe should not be kicked out Europe. The rest is pure racism.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by prmoustache »

davidguetta wrote: post #122
prmoustache wrote: post #119

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> So by your logic arab people in Europe are colons and should GTFO ? Which Arab people? Is there an arab government who has invaded, maintained a force presence, set up its own political institutions, decimated the population with diseases, exploited the indigenous population, and that is sending police forces from its mainland to a european country to maintain control in the last 2 centuries? You are mixing up migr…

I think YOU are mixing up migration and colonization. It's not colonization when you organize 3 referendums for self-determination, and indigenous cultures have their own senate. Non-indigenous people who were born there have as much right to be there than "indigenous" people, same as arabs born in Europe should not be kicked out Europe. The rest is pure racism.

Referendums organized after decimating the indigenous population, and importing french and pro-french people en masse for decades. Obviously if you make sure the indigenous people end up in the minority through colonization, your referendums will not translate to anything else.

This is like a company rejecting tons of co2 every year, planting 3 trees and greenwashing people into thinking they do everything against global warming.

This is totally about racism, but not in the direction you pretend it is.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by mrmlz »

lukan wrote: post #104
mrmlz wrote: post #103

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Meh, i've read and continue to read many great twitter-threads of linked posts. Sure 10 years ago that might have been a blogg post. Really the content you get on twitter is 110% dependent on those you follow (on the for-me tab at least), I follow about 90-100 people and you really notice when you follow someone who reposts crap how quickly your feed deteriorates. Its a sensitive beast but can be quite good actually.

But don't you enjoy one coherent post more, than a fragmented series of short posts, all mixed with distracting side elements for enhanced engagement? So I get, that people still use twitter to get interesting content, but yeah, I do not get, how one can really like the experience.

Depends on the topic to be honest and the quality of the post. I consume more varying topics now than i did during the blog-era.

But sure - a well crafted blogpost is wonderful and I miss that. But there was a lot of crap back then aswell.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by prmoustache »

davidguetta wrote: post #122
prmoustache wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So by your logic arab people in Europe are colons and should GTFO ? Which Arab people? Is there an arab government who has invaded, maintained a force presence, set up its own political institutions, decimated the population with diseases, exploited the indigenous population, and that is sending police forces from its mainland to a european country to maintain control in the last 2 centuries? You are mixing up migr…

I think YOU are mixing up migration and colonization. It's not colonization when you organize 3 referendums for self-determination, and indigenous cultures have their own senate. Non-indigenous people who were born there have as much right to be there than "indigenous" people, same as arabs born in Europe should not be kicked out Europe. The rest is pure racism.

by the way, the full text of the Nouméa Accord signed in 1998 after a previous insurection contain in its preamble the admission by the french state that New Caledonia/Kanaky is a colonized territory: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000000555817/

The french state admitted it, the United Nations recognized it. Only the current french government is not recognizing it because it is gradually morphing towards extreme right and facism.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by davidguetta »

prmoustache wrote: post #123
davidguetta wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think YOU are mixing up migration and colonization. It's not colonization when you organize 3 referendums for self-determination, and indigenous cultures have their own senate. Non-indigenous people who were born there have as much right to be there than "indigenous" people, same as arabs born in Europe should not be kicked out Europe. The rest is pure racism.

Referendums organized after decimating the indigenous population, and importing french and pro-french people en masse for decades. Obviously if you make sure the indigenous people end up in the minority through colonization, your referendums will not translate to anything else. This is like a company rejecting tons of co2 every year, planting 3 trees and greenwashing people into thinking they do everything against gl…

I don't know, the number of people coming from an "European" descent never seem to have been superior to the number of kanak people: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9mographie_de_la_Nouvell...

I guess the french passport has some value for the indigenous. And again, not one referendum, three. I'm confused what more you could convince you.

"Colonisation" is an easy answer to everything but the reality is often more complicated. Not saying it's not a colony, it is, but that it doesn't mean a majority of 'colonised' see more benefit to it that inconvenients.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by ivanhoe »

ivanhoe wrote: post #120
mrkeen wrote: post #56

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I don't know who's right here, but the article did address it > One of the main ways I was using Twitter is to find people doing interesting things and then follow them to see what they're up to. This no longer works since you no longer see tweets from the people you follow unless they go viral.

I don't want to sound arrogant, but they really need to rtfm. There's a tab Following in the top and it shows people that you follow and their activity. I use it daily and haven't noticed anything of what they describe. Now, there are other problems obviously: one is how aggressively Twitter was pushing their "recommendations", so for a while the app used to switch back to recommendations without asking for permissio…

Can't edit the above post anymore, so let me write it here: After writing all this in the post above I've went to check the twitter (as I usually do) and it's set back to For you recommendations... so yeah, now I get why ppl say it's broken... though it's not really broken, it's just evil and really annoying...

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by welder »

tjpnz wrote: post #117
welder wrote: post #88

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Mine requires karma on other networks, like HN, before users can post. It reduces spam and fake accounts. However, u can still post anonymously then choose to reveal your username later anytime. Posts support Markdown. It also integrates with the tools I use, for example if you post a link to a blog and that blog happens to have been on HN too then it shows the HN icon with the HN post points and a link to the HN com…

There are elements here which might be more useful to a broader audience in the form of a browser plugin. Is this something you've considered?

It's not about displaying these things, it's about parsing this data from the posts and making all posts filterable by this metadata. Display vs Discovery.

I want to reduce the noise in social network posts.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by prmoustache »

davidguetta wrote: post #126
prmoustache wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Referendums organized after decimating the indigenous population, and importing french and pro-french people en masse for decades. Obviously if you make sure the indigenous people end up in the minority through colonization, your referendums will not translate to anything else. This is like a company rejecting tons of co2 every year, planting 3 trees and greenwashing people into thinking they do everything against gl…

I don't know, the number of people coming from an "European" descent never seem to have been superior to the number of kanak people: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9mographie_de_la_Nouvell... I guess the french passport has some value for the indigenous. And again, not one referendum, three. I'm confused what more you could convince you. "Colonisation" is an easy answer to everything but the reality is often mor…

While being the major individual ethnic group, it is enough to make the kanaks a a minority against the population that migrated to the island while under France governance (and thus more likely to be at least for the status quo).

It is said that a majority of the kanaks are pro independence.

Let's be clear, I am pretty sure that the kanaks would lose a lot by being independent and not able to rely on french aid, and would probably lose even better if their natural resources attract others but ...

... I also think that since Napoleon III annexed it as an oversea territory of France Kanaks never had the chance to decide for themselves and have been prejudiced. Their lands taken over, being subject to abuse, not being given the same chances overall as caldos.

I believe this should still be their choice, even if it means a worse life for them afterwards.

Had the colons treated them better for a start, there would be less pro independence among the kanaks so it is really on France's side to make amend and on caldos to stop acting like victims when for the most part they are collectively the offenders (the important word is 'collectively' here).

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Post by mat0 »

pavlov wrote: post #9
hristov wrote: post #5

So I have never really used twitter much and I don't think I even signed up for it ever. But I want to double check something -- is it the case now, as this post suggests, that if you follow somebody, you do not see their posts? Isn't that the main purpose for the follow function? Why would you do that? Why would you have a follow function and break it? And what else do you show people? I mean if your user follows so…

The basic premise with algorithmic feeds is that users are lazy and don't do a lot of active discovery, so their follow lists tend to be pretty small. The algorithm can show them a mix of content where some of it is sourced from their existing follow/like graph (e.g. followed by someone you follow) and therefore likely to be interesting, and some is pushed on other less user-centric grounds. (E.g. in Twitter's case:…

> "The CEO wants to be popular, so everyone sees his posts."

This is so insane to me. Some weeks ago I had to create a twitter account because I wanted to contact a developer for an app I'm using and the only contact information he had was his twitter account. I created a dumb account with my Google account and I was surprised that the first tweet I see is from Elon Musk. How small your ego has to be to request being featured first for every new account that is created? I remember I saw his face in the account creation process and I thought to myself "I would never follow this idiot" and still this guy is the first thing I see.

I wont be opening that cesspool anytime soon.

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