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What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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What, no mention that the Norwegian police use evidence markers with inches printed on them? That company sells them with CM markers.

Some gun calibers are measured with inches, so maybe they have some imperial markers on hand to measure bullet casings?

Many measuring devices used in eg Germany have both proper units and Freedom units printed on them. It's probably just easier to have one model that you can sell anyone on the globe. Economics of scale and all that.

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Have you considered more mundane explanations first? If there was a conspiracy I think they would not have made such a foolish and obvious error.

> Have you considered more mundane explanations first?

It's indeed more likely the police just bought an off-the-shelf measuring device. They often come with both imperial and proper units.

> If there was a conspiracy I think they would not have made such a foolish and obvious error.

Alas, that's not necessarily a good rule-of-thumb. Incompetence is a thing.

Compare to eg how the Russian spooks placed three copies of the game SIMS 3 in the pictures they published of an alleged assassins' lair.

(Most likely, some superior officer told the grunts to put three SIM cards for burner phones in the picture.)

See https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gpmg/russia-sims-3

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Wow, the Russians shot down another plane. I never heard of KAL007 and thought MH17 was the first time this happened. Did any other nation states ever shoot down passenger airplanes?

For completeness: the US navy shot down an Iranian airliner.

And Iran shot down a Ukrainian plane.

But yeah it's not unique. In this case it's really tough though because the Soviets knew it was a civilian airliner running with full lights.

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>The thing about most conspiracies is that they need to have some "marginal plausibility We literally had a wide spread conspiracy about secret DNA editing viruses that were controlled by 5G cellular antennas, because They™ wanted to mind control people and make them sterile for population replacement by Them™. I’d say that it’s not about being plausible in any sort objective sense, but rather a successful conspiracy…

Well, virus can change your DNA. Cell phone towers being everywhere with people not generally understanding how they work or whether they pose health risks is another thing. You need to tell a story that the layman can't readily refute. Crazy government scientists engineering viruses that can be remote controlled by radio signals is "marginally plausible". The fridge story IMO doesn't qualify. There's another categor…

I don’t think people actually understand refrigerators any better than cellphones which are 41 years old at this point.

Create some story about the “hum” of an air compressor being linked to declining birth rates or whatever and someone will believe it. Keep harping on it long enough and it goes from a fringe idea to vaguely plausible surprisingly quickly. Just look at the Anti Vax movement and those are well over 200 years old.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Let's assume that these incidents actually were accidents, there's still a bigger question open: why is trawler fishing still allowed? Imagine it's not a fiber cable that ends up being crushed by a trawl door... but all the other marine life: Fish can swim away (or not, being the point of getting fished), but plants, corals, bugs? Trawler fishing is devastating for the local ecology, we just don't see the damage - to…

Complete agree. The hidden damage we are doing to marine ecosystems is horrendous.

I love eating seafood but have basically given it all up due to environmental concerns, there's very few fisheries left that are harvested sustainably and farmed fish as an alternative cause a host of other problems for marine wildlife in the area.

Even the sustainable types of fish usually end up with huge amounts of bycatch that it's hard to justify eating them too.

At this point the only seafood I can eat is something I've caught myself and isn't of concern for sustainability, Australia is lucky in that respect with quite a few species thriving but we still face a lot of illegal fishing in our waters that's incredibly hard to police.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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> The critically important cable that connects Svalbard to the mainland is no thicker than a pinkie finger This is amazing. I wonder how much data per unit of time this is capable of transporting. Wikipedia says "Each segment has a speed of 10 gigabits per second (Gb/s), with a future potential capacity of 2,500 Gbit/s." [1] Wikipedia also notes that NASA helped fund this system. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sva…

> I wonder how much data per unit of time this is capable of transporting. The max throughput of fiber optic cables isn't exactly constant. As fiber optic modem and DSP technology improves you can get much higher speeds on 15+ year-old cables than were ever possible when they were laid. Recently I saw an article about researchers getting 300,000 Gbit/s over existing fiber optic cables (though I'm sure that's a long w…

Reminds me of the early dialup to DSL communication over standard telephone lines evolution.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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> The critically important cable that connects Svalbard to the mainland is no thicker than a pinkie finger This is amazing. I wonder how much data per unit of time this is capable of transporting. Wikipedia says "Each segment has a speed of 10 gigabits per second (Gb/s), with a future potential capacity of 2,500 Gbit/s." [1] Wikipedia also notes that NASA helped fund this system. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sva…

> I wonder how much data per unit of time this is capable of transporting. The max throughput of fiber optic cables isn't exactly constant. As fiber optic modem and DSP technology improves you can get much higher speeds on 15+ year-old cables than were ever possible when they were laid. Recently I saw an article about researchers getting 300,000 Gbit/s over existing fiber optic cables (though I'm sure that's a long w…

You're referring to single continuous fiber optic cables on land. Long undersea cables incorporate powered repeaters. Those can't be upgraded in situ with improved technology.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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> I wonder how much data per unit of time this is capable of transporting. The max throughput of fiber optic cables isn't exactly constant. As fiber optic modem and DSP technology improves you can get much higher speeds on 15+ year-old cables than were ever possible when they were laid. Recently I saw an article about researchers getting 300,000 Gbit/s over existing fiber optic cables (though I'm sure that's a long w…

Though surely the repeaters in a cable, such as the one in the article, presents hard limits?

They’re probably amplifiers rather than repeaters. Optical amplifiers don’t need to decode the signal to work. Here’s Wikipedia on erbium-doped fiber amplifiers:

> A relatively high-powered beam of light is mixed with the input signal using a wavelength selective coupler (WSC). The input signal and the excitation light must be at significantly different wavelengths. The mixed light is guided into a section of fiber with erbium ions included in the core. This high-powered light beam excites the erbium ions to their higher-energy state. When the photons belonging to the signal at a different wavelength from the pump light meet the excited erbium ions, the erbium ions give up some of their energy to the signal and return to their lower-energy state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_amplifier

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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> I wonder how much data per unit of time this is capable of transporting. The max throughput of fiber optic cables isn't exactly constant. As fiber optic modem and DSP technology improves you can get much higher speeds on 15+ year-old cables than were ever possible when they were laid. Recently I saw an article about researchers getting 300,000 Gbit/s over existing fiber optic cables (though I'm sure that's a long w…

Though surely the repeaters in a cable, such as the one in the article, presents hard limits?

I think they're mostly laser amplifiers these days. So they're agnostic to modulation or WDM. But I assume there's still a noise/gain tradeoff.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Have you considered more mundane explanations first? If there was a conspiracy I think they would not have made such a foolish and obvious error.

> Have you considered more mundane explanations first? It's indeed more likely the police just bought an off-the-shelf measuring device. They often come with both imperial and proper units. > If there was a conspiracy I think they would not have made such a foolish and obvious error. Alas, that's not necessarily a good rule-of-thumb. Incompetence is a thing. Compare to eg how the Russian spooks placed three copies of…

That isn't 3 copies of the Sims 3. It's one copy of the game and two different expansion packs - Outdoor Living and Master Suite it looks like. This is a pretty important detail, because it's pretty difficult to come up with a reasonably likely explanation for why somebody would have 3 copies of a single game, but trivial to do so for game + expansions, which was then mistaken by an officer on the scene for being meaningful.

Ah but how the media has such different standards for conspiracy theories when it furthers a desired narrative, rather than contradicts it.

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