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Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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randomopining wrote: post #106
c048 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Mother' Gaia will wipe all complex life from this planet with 1 to 1.5 Billion years if her 'undisciplined' puppies don't find a way to leave this ball of dirt. She's also got quite a lead with killing off 99.99999% of all species that ever lived, when compared to us.

You think leaving earth is the solution? The only place we've evolved to survive on.

Definitely not the solution. Ending capitalism for some other form of economy is the only way in my opinion. Not that I don’t think people should be rewarded for the products and services they offer just that the incentive to make cheap shit and sell an upgrade every year is definitely harmful to our earth. The problem I see is I don’t know what type of economic solution there is that would fit.

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by JeremyNT »

randomopining wrote: post #106
c048 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Mother' Gaia will wipe all complex life from this planet with 1 to 1.5 Billion years if her 'undisciplined' puppies don't find a way to leave this ball of dirt. She's also got quite a lead with killing off 99.99999% of all species that ever lived, when compared to us.

You think leaving earth is the solution? The only place we've evolved to survive on.

We evolved in this little window of time on this version of Earth.

In a billion years, when the Sun is hotter and Earth's oceans have all dried, it's probably not going to be a great hang any more.

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by jibbit »

belter wrote: post #3

We are in the multilayered race between - The risk of the rise of AGI - The risk and madness of Nuclear conflict - The risk of runaway Climate change My money is on Mother Gaia. She will brutally and swiftly discipline her puppies.

now theres a list that "antibiotic resistant bacteria" fits into quite nicely

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by duozerk »

kylebenzle wrote: post #61
belter wrote: post #3

We are in the multilayered race between - The risk of the rise of AGI - The risk and madness of Nuclear conflict - The risk of runaway Climate change My money is on Mother Gaia. She will brutally and swiftly discipline her puppies.

1. AGI doesn't even exist and Sam Altman and I agree on one thing, GPTs will not get us there. Saying AGI is a risk is like saying the sun exploding is a risk. 2. Nuclear conflict is real, it's astounding Pakistan or Russia hasnt used the bomb yet but they will when the US backs them into a corner. 3. Climate change? At this point, who cares? We know it's happening and happening VERY slowly so we have PLENTY of time…

> happening VERY slowly

> failing to move away from the cost in the next 100 years

Unless you're a time-traveler from the 50s who has somehow managed to post here, there is no excuse for this type of disinformation these days.

Mentioning higher sea levels is also a red herring; massive agricultural yields collapse will be an issue long before (like, this century) sea levels become a major problem.

More than this, we have now reached levels of atmospheric changes that put actual near-term Human extinction (not to mention that of most sea and land species) on the table.

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by olalonde »

duozerk wrote: post #110
olalonde wrote: post #84

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Climate related deaths are at an all time low...[0] [0] https://twitter.com/HumanProgress/status/1634509546067574790

Ah yes, a "source" from Charles Koch's Cato Institute. Do you really expect to be taken seriously with this "rebuttal" ?

Here's another source using data from the "EM-DAT International Disaster Database"[0]. Excerpt from the article[1]:

> As we see, over the course of the 20th century there was a significant decline in global deaths from natural disasters. In the early 1900s, the annual average was often in the range of 400,000 to 500,000 deaths. In the second half of the century and into the early 2000s, we have seen a significant decline to less than 100,000 – at least five times lower than these peaks. This decline is even more impressive when we consider the rate of population growth over this period. When we correct for population – showing this data in terms of death rates (measured per 100,000 people) – then we see a more than 10-fold decline over the past century.

[0] https://www.emdat.be/

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by hackerlight »

kgabis wrote: post #99
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #83

It’s time to stop pretending we aren’t going to do geoengineering and get serious about making it happen.

I imagine it will happen when heatwaves and droughts start to be a serious issue.

Heatwaves are a serious issue already, try being one of the few hundred million people in South Asia/SEA with 3k annual income and no aircon during April 2024. School cancelled and outdoors work nearly impossible due to wet bulb temperatures nearing the threshold of human survivability.

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by blueflow »

itishappy wrote: post #111
blueflow wrote: post #97

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And before they start panicking, they should see this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:All_palaeotemps.svg The XKCD comic starts at the coldest moment in history known to mankind.

What do you take away from this?

That its not nearly as much as an catastrophe as some HN readers wish it to be.

Think about it. The carbon didn't spawn in the earth, it got deposited there. Coal and oil are sediment based. It used to be in circulation previously. And yet Earth is still habitable.

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by lesuorac »

duozerk wrote: post #110
olalonde wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate related deaths are at an all time low...[0] [0] https://twitter.com/HumanProgress/status/1634509546067574790

Ah yes, a "source" from Charles Koch's Cato Institute. Do you really expect to be taken seriously with this "rebuttal" ?

Fundamentally just because the current value is at a low point doesn't make something not a threat.

The easy way to think about it by handwaving half-lives of an element. You start with 100 and end up with 50 for a 50% survival rate but also a raw loss of 50. Each of those remaining 50 still are going to have a 50% survival rate despite that the next raw loss is ~25.

But yeah; you can challenge the source of the argument as invalid as opposed to just challenging the argument as invalid.

Re: Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last 50k years

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Post by itishappy »

goatlover wrote: post #77
fmobus wrote: post #36

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That's a bad argument. If Americans would emit CO2 at the same per capita rate as china, the world would be much better off. The fact that the Chinese can emit much less per capita and at the same time have raised their standards of living significantly over the last few decades, all while producing a huge fraction of manufactured goods consumed worldwide goes to show that something is deeply wrong with the US' polic…

If Americans emitted the same per capita rate as China, they would have a lower standard of living. This shouldn't be the argument anyway. The focus should be on cleaner and more efficient technologies, which includes nuclear.

> This shouldn't be the argument anyway.

Why not? The reverse sounds more insightful:

If the rest of the world adopts and American standard of life, emissions would be much higher.

Should we expect the world to adopt a sub-US standard of living forever, or should we address the impacts of our standard of living?

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Post by rdlecler1 »

hsavit1 wrote: post #51
belter wrote: post #3

We are in the multilayered race between - The risk of the rise of AGI - The risk and madness of Nuclear conflict - The risk of runaway Climate change My money is on Mother Gaia. She will brutally and swiftly discipline her puppies.

You don’t understand the enormous immediate risk of climate change if you think that AGI is a comparable risk. Climate change is now and is killing people every day

Nature is out to kill us. We’re doing a far better job in this fight than we ever have. I’d rather deal with problem of climate change than the problems of our ancestors.
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