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Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by ghaff »

ethbr1 wrote: post #120
ghaff wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of films: The Matrix, the original Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Avatar, I’m sure many others that were just so different and jaw-dropping in many ways when they first came out—in those cases because of effects of various types mostly—that it can be hard to appreciate their novelty at the time. Some stand up better than others.

Citizen Kane, Casablanca Appreciating "modern" before modern times requires taking the production date into context and being aware of what contemporary media was doing. Unfortunately, the entire reason you're watching famous media decades later is because contemporary media is comparatively boring. F.ex. How many people who have seen Citizen Kane have seen Louisiana Purchase? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_in_…

Those are two of my favorite films. But Citizen Kane was largely unique as opposed to a precursor of a type. And Casablanca just put everything together in a package that really wasn’t that distinct from plenty of other love stories set against a WWII backdrop on the surface.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by jajko »

maxglute wrote: post #48
chambers wrote: post #21

I rewatched Ghost in the Shell recently and I was struck by how poorly it aged. Its animation holds up but its story felt weaker than I remembered. Like the director reached for something deep, couldn't get ahold of it, and then covered his tracks behind wordy philosophy.

>director reached for something deep, couldn't get ahold of it Translation/writing/dub wasn't very strong at the time, I can see how ppl feel now (and felt at the time) the headiness/philosophizng was filler for robot tanks and augment porn, but it was all there in the source manga by Shirow. IMO reaching for something deep about is what the series is all about, just explored more competently in shows like SAC where…

To watch some classic in anything but original language is proper insult to the source and always subpar experience. Would you watch say Bicycle thieves with some yeager-speak variant too?

I know 0 japanese but never ever watched any of their produce in anything but japanese with eng subs. Even though EN is not my primary language but one I grok easily without subs needed.

Sure, people are lazy and have tons of excuses, but they are just that. If you(anybody) couldnt otherwise as a kid, do yourself a favor and re-experience it again in better form.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by ykonstant »

philip-b wrote: post #111
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #44

Just a notice that all Blu-Rays of the 95 GITS are completely and hopelessly mangled (cropped, blurred and black crushed). The only "good" version is an old HDTV rip that was hand-remastered by Judgment; but with heavy smoothing in the process, a film grain shader to mask this is recommended. BD: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/1080p-3/BD... HDTV: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/10…

Where do I get this HDTV rip?

nyaa, most easily

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by FL33TW00D »

nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

Shinsekai yori

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by hapticmonkey »

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #44

Just a notice that all Blu-Rays of the 95 GITS are completely and hopelessly mangled (cropped, blurred and black crushed). The only "good" version is an old HDTV rip that was hand-remastered by Judgment; but with heavy smoothing in the process, a film grain shader to mask this is recommended. BD: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/1080p-3/BD... HDTV: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/10…

The 4K Bluray copy I have seems to be an improvement over both?

Note: This is the HDR screenshot so colours look wrong unless tonemapped to a SDR display.

https://i.imgur.com/PFVzuYi.jpeg

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by paul80808 »

inhumantsar wrote: post #113
JKCalhoun wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Lord of the Rings" novel is that way too to anyone not steeped in fantasy. It might be hard to imagine for many people these days that "elves" and "dwarves" strictly meant children's fairytales before Tolkien. Magical rings, wizards, dragons with tunnels of gold ... seems so cliche now it is easy to see why someone would wonder what the big deal about Tolkien is.

same deal with neuromancer

I have to disagree with both. I help a colleague teach a class in which students often read necromancer, and it often has a deep impact on them. The cloned ninjas and laser weapons are uninteresting to them for the reasons mentioned above, but the Necromancer + Wintermute dynamic and central plot is fascinating to them.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by troupo »

ghaff wrote: post #98
jonathanlydall wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched The Shining for the first time in around 2012 and when commenting to an older friend about it I said something to the effect of "It's good, but I didn't feel it was exceptional." to which he replied saying that "Yes, but consider that it was the first real film of that genre, it only seems "okay" today because you're comparing to all the films of the same genre which came after and were largely influenced b…

There are a number of films: The Matrix, the original Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Avatar, I’m sure many others that were just so different and jaw-dropping in many ways when they first came out—in those cases because of effects of various types mostly—that it can be hard to appreciate their novelty at the time. Some stand up better than others.

In comparison to many of the lazy movies of today I find The Matrix still as jaw-dropping. Even the two sequels tried to push the envelope.

But the original one was just so brilliantly made

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by jwells89 »

bullfightonmars wrote: post #99
ojhughes wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really enjoyed "Re:ZERO - Starting Life in Another World" despite it scoring -11.5 using your system (Isekai translates to another world)

Ha. Stuff like this is entertaining but it is not what I would call good. It’s like the reality tv of anime. Cheap wish fulfillment fan service. There have been some legit good series recently that play with these fantasy genres, have solid writing and animation. * Friern: Beyond Journey’s End - an extremely sentimental coming of age tale that explorers children raising parents, loyalty, and platonic love. * Deliciou…

I’ll echo the titles you recommended, but given what the MC goes through in Re:Zero I’m not sure that it falls into the bucket of wish fulfillment nearly as much as most shows of its genre do. I can’t think of many people who’d want to be the MC.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by tauwauwau »

nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

Here's a list of some old and new ones, that an old fart might enjoy

Monster (Chasing a serial killer)

Ergo Proxy (Can't describe it)

Samurai 7 (Sci-fi variant off 7 samurai)

Last Exile (Post appocapltic world with lots of flying machines)

Kino's Journey

Mushishi

Time of Eve

Gargantia

Baccano

Durarara

Psycho Pass

Arslan Senki

Sunaboju (Desert Punk)

Witch Hunter Robin

Hunter x Hunter (old not new)

Texnolyze

Darker than Black

Black Lagoon

Great Teach Onizuka (One of the old and best)

Gintama (Comedy, It's at the level One Piece and Naruto disgusing as Comedy, you have to get past 30 episodes)

Kabaneri of Iron Fortress (Just for animation quality)

Beck (Music career)

Golden Kamui

Terror in Resonance

Ping Pong Animation (Don't let the animation fool you, it's one of the best stories)

Area 88 (Story ends abruptly, watch at your own risk)

Ashita no Joe (Old anime, boxing genre)

Valkyria Chronicles (War story)

Scissor Seven (Comedy, Chinese, assassin, in a strange world)

Shura no Toki (Martial arts, 3 generations)

A Record of Mortal's Journey to Immortality (Chinese cultivation genre, 3D good animation, faithful adaptation of one of the good novels in this genre)

Swallowed Star (Chinese cultivation genre Sci-fi variant, great 3D animation)

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by ethbr1 »

ghaff wrote: post #121
ethbr1 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citizen Kane, Casablanca Appreciating "modern" before modern times requires taking the production date into context and being aware of what contemporary media was doing. Unfortunately, the entire reason you're watching famous media decades later is because contemporary media is comparatively boring. F.ex. How many people who have seen Citizen Kane have seen Louisiana Purchase? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_in_…

Those are two of my favorite films. But Citizen Kane was largely unique as opposed to a precursor of a type. And Casablanca just put everything together in a package that really wasn’t that distinct from plenty of other love stories set against a WWII backdrop on the surface.

To me, both Citizen Kane and Casablanca feel pretty revolutionary in editing, compared to what was prevalent at the time. But this has intrigued me to do some '41/42 comparisons.
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