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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Well there is _one_ way but you're probably not going to like it

I already use Android devices as well, thanks.

In the meantime I think Altserver works if you connect to a pc frequently enough

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

Not just VMs, you could technically also run things like PC emulators, with real PC operating systems, especially older ones, with acceptable performance. Just imagine using Windows 98 on an iPad!

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

totally agree - the iPad Pro could be a great second coding/programming tool - I'd love to justify buying myself one, but.. I just don't see a use-case if I can't work on it. I don't design stuff, don't really feel like I need a separate browsing device either

Yep, I've got one and don't use too much. Too big for scrolling, too limited (software) for work. But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Why are you defending having less ownership over devices that you own? It’s like your employer wants to give you a salary increase but you complain and say you don’t want more money.

Because I should have that choice. Government should not make this decision for me. If it’s important to me that I have devices I fully own, I should seek that out. If I like the products and prices that result from walled-garden business models, I should be able to choose them.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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The words they said did not and could not capture your perception of the former Apple CEO. They are different things.

"They" is Jobs. "All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-ant...

A factual quote and some advice. There is no context as to whether they knew the full extent of the issue or not. Anyone attributing malice to this assumes they do.

“All software has bugs”, “avoid using this button” would be a perfectly reasonable thing to say if you were still analysing a problem and the user had an alternative way of using a feature.

They eventually did acknowledge a problem and issue bumpers, just as a software issue would be acknowledged and a patch issued.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. If you are a solo app developer, you will now have to keep presence on all app stores out there, since if you don’t publish on one then a copycat will. Every store would have its own review processes, fee structures, billing and tax procedures. Since…

1) Users win. The first alt app store didn't even launch and it pressured Apple to change it's review policies TWICE. Once to allow game streaming services, and then to allow game emulators. Hell, even developers won here.

2) How did this play out on every other platform. Sure - piracy exists, but most don't and it's pretty non-impactful AFAICT.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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I disagree. First of all I expect competing stores to ask a smaller cut than what currently Apple asks (and Apple itself may lower it), so it may very well be the case even with a middleman the amount "lost" by the developer will be lower. Not a given though, I guess we will see. Secondly, the Android ecosystem seems to be doing well even with the situation you describe. There are not that many competing stores (most…

I agree with you on most counts save for the piracy. It's highly dependent on market segment, with less affluent sectors especially with youth you'll find very high privacy rates. I look forward to the day an fdroid like platform is available on Apple phones and tablets.

Are you making much money from less affluent sectors anyway? Existance of piracy doesn't mean loss of sales. I would guess that most pirated software was never going to be purchased anyway.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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I am happy to see Apple's arm twisted, but disappointed the demand is to allow alternative app stores and not user-facing side-loading. In my view, having only the official Apple App Store is just fine as long as Apple also adds the ability to install an app off an unsigned IPA file for free. With that, users would be free to install apps that Apple don't deem fit for the app store, giving them the freedom to use the…

> ability to install an app off an unsigned IPA file for free

I feel like the thinking is that there must be an entity — somebody running an app store — who could be held legally responsible for any damage caused by malware distributed via their channels. Regular non-tech-savvy users cannot be trusted with such delicate software as apps running on their personal phones.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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With these legislations, I always wonder how the lawmakers come up with timeframes like 6 months. Who is to say this implementation doesn't take, say, a year? I doubt lawmakers have the technological know how to estimate such a project (actually, I doubt anyone has) - but 6 months seems rather short (given they hadn't just had to implement the same thing for iOS)...?

> given they hadn't just had to implement the same thing for iOS

You've kind of answered this for yourself; iPadOS _is_ iOS.

Apple has, in any case, presumably more or less known this was coming for a year or so; they kind of had to make the argument that iPadOS and iOS were not the same thing, I suppose, but it was always a bit far-fetched that the EC would buy that.

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