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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by likeabbas »

keepamovin wrote: post #109
likeabbas wrote: post #88

It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the Intelligence Community Inspector Generals, both Senate/House Intel Committees, and a public House Oversight Committee under oath that the USG has recovered crashed/landed non-human intelligence craft. The ICIG referred Grusch's claims to the intel committees as…

At least it's getting discussed now. I think part of the reason could be Grusch is like "the deep end" for many people. Whereas Carter seeing a maybe-UFO is an easier introduction, which is perfectly fine! Everyone is at a different stage at this point :) BTW this was a really good summary!!! :)

ty :) this is definitely a topic that's too taboo for most people to touch, but the allegations of the DoD withholding information from congress is very serious and this should not be overlooked. If his claims are true, our democracy is in peril imo

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Post by dahart »

WillAdams wrote: post #114
dahart wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous Wait, which UFO thing are you referring to? Carter never thought it was anything extraterrestrial, he stated that he assumed it was a natural or man-made event. Are you saying it’s strange that some people believe in aliens?

I think it's strange to believe that a starship could enter the solar system without being noticed due to the requirements of: - velocity --- it would need to be moving quickly and would have to decelerate (requires energy) to do more than pass through - life support/technology requirements and attendant heat signature --- interstellar space is _cold_ and not conducive to either, so requires on-going energy output -…

Sure, that’s fine. Easy for me to agree with, IMO, based on the actual science we have today. I might say I think it’s unlikely that starships can get close without being noticed rather than it’s strange what people believe. I mean, people believe lots and lots and lots of strange things for which there’s no evidence, and most are wrong but every once in a blue moon something strange that nobody knew turns out to be true. I just didn’t follow the juxtaposition of the comment about Carter, then a comment about presidents followed by the UFO ‘thing’ being ridiculous. The article suggests that Carter might also think it’s strange to believe a starship could enter the solar system without being noticed - it isn’t clear what you’re responding to.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by krapp »

likeabbas wrote: post #118
krapp wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the bottom of the page you can find a search bar with which you can discover that David Grusch's claims and the UAP phenomenon in general have been done to death here. There is no real discussion to be had on the topic. People choose to believe Grusch and others because of their own faith in the ET/UFO narrative as a first principle. People doubt Grusch and others because none of them ever present compelling evide…

> the government's own investigations have consistently come to the conclusion that no extraterrestrial or physics-defying technologies are involved I'm not sure if you've looked into the government's self investigations in the 70s regarding claims the CIA was experiment on their own populace where they also found no evidence. But 20 years later the CIA declassified those documents to show the CIA absolutely was dosi…

Yes, I'm aware of MKULTRA. Everyone is aware of MKULTRA.

But the Department of Defense investigating this phenomenon is the only basis the UFO community has for considering any of the UAP/UFO stuff credible. It's why they trust David Grusch, because, as they claim, no one would just go in front of Congress and tell lies (or in Grusch's case, because he has no actual firsthand knowledge of anything, repeat someone else's lies.)

You can't have it both ways. You can't say this is real because the government is looking into it, and that the government can't be trusted with its findings.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by runarberg »

andsoitis wrote: post #72
ak_111 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To blow your mind even further he also wrote an entire book accusing Israel of Apartheid, which is an even more stunningly clear-headed claim for a US president to make.

> accusing Israel of Apartheid, which is an even more stunningly clear-headed claim for a US president to make. Carter explained that he is not using the word to describe racism, but the desire to acquire, occupy, confiscate and then to colonize Palestinian land. Source: https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2008/january/cartervisit.html The problem is that that is not apartheid. Apartheid “separateness” is explicitly a racis…

Apartheid is codified in the Rome Statute Part 2 Article 7 Paragraph 2(h):

> "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;

So yes it is a racist ideology, but it doesn’t need the perpetrators to be explicitly racist. The fact that the oppressed Palestinians are of a different racial group as the oppressors, and the policy is to maintain a domination of one racial group over the other, that means this counts as apartheid.

“I didn’t mean to be racist” is not an excuse admissible to the ICC

That said, The Rome statute would not become international law until 22 years after Carter was no longer President. And would never be ratified by neither the USA nor Israel. Though interestingly Palestine has ratified it.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by konstmonst »

WillAdams wrote: post #114
dahart wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous Wait, which UFO thing are you referring to? Carter never thought it was anything extraterrestrial, he stated that he assumed it was a natural or man-made event. Are you saying it’s strange that some people believe in aliens?

I think it's strange to believe that a starship could enter the solar system without being noticed due to the requirements of: - velocity --- it would need to be moving quickly and would have to decelerate (requires energy) to do more than pass through - life support/technology requirements and attendant heat signature --- interstellar space is _cold_ and not conducive to either, so requires on-going energy output -…

I think this post has a lot of preconceptions about life. I bet it wouldn't be biological any more, even our society is moving to digital: AIs , drones. Even if it were, why support the whole body, if supporting the brain is enough? I bet future space space ships won't be piloted by humans because we are sensitive to acceleration, temperature, radiation and are pretty short lived. Also we don't have much redundancy and are not very energy efficent. Just look at the trend with mobile phones.At one point in time we used notes to extend our memory, then digital things like PDAs now phones and watches and at some point it will become an implant in our head, extending us as humans. The human of tomorrow will have little in common with human of today, so you can't judge the form of life will take and its requirementfrom a more advanced civilization.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by likeabbas »

krapp wrote: post #123
likeabbas wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the government's own investigations have consistently come to the conclusion that no extraterrestrial or physics-defying technologies are involved I'm not sure if you've looked into the government's self investigations in the 70s regarding claims the CIA was experiment on their own populace where they also found no evidence. But 20 years later the CIA declassified those documents to show the CIA absolutely was dosi…

Yes, I'm aware of MKULTRA. Everyone is aware of MKULTRA. But the Department of Defense investigating this phenomenon is the only basis the UFO community has for considering any of the UAP/UFO stuff credible. It's why they trust David Grusch, because, as they claim, no one would just go in front of Congress and tell lies (or in Grusch's case, because he has no actual firsthand knowledge of anything, repeat someone els…

The government/DoD isn't a single entity. Especially when it comes to waived, bigoted special access programs where only a handful of people will even know the programs exist. So just because one person says "oh we don't have any evidence of these programs" doesn't mean they actually know. It just means they haven't been read in.

Here is one good example. The current pentagon DoD UAP office AARO released a report [https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/08/2003409233/-1/-1/0/DOP...] saying they found no credible evidence of the reverse engineering programs. But when the office of the Director of National Intelligence was asked about it, they said they could not endorse the findings of the report https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/top-intelligence-office...

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Post by adammichaelc »

WillAdams wrote: post #114
dahart wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous Wait, which UFO thing are you referring to? Carter never thought it was anything extraterrestrial, he stated that he assumed it was a natural or man-made event. Are you saying it’s strange that some people believe in aliens?

I think it's strange to believe that a starship could enter the solar system without being noticed due to the requirements of: - velocity --- it would need to be moving quickly and would have to decelerate (requires energy) to do more than pass through - life support/technology requirements and attendant heat signature --- interstellar space is _cold_ and not conducive to either, so requires on-going energy output -…

Are you suggesting American humans have reached the pinnacle of understanding how the Universe works?

With our technology, we could easily avoid being seen by a hunter-gatherer society.

Do you imagine that your society does not have similar blind spots?

How much arrogance there is in the modern Euro-centric world. Because the society has explored beyond what our grandparents believed possible, suddenly we are the pinnacle of the Universe.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by andsoitis »

vidarh wrote: post #90
andsoitis wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> accusing Israel of Apartheid, which is an even more stunningly clear-headed claim for a US president to make. Carter explained that he is not using the word to describe racism, but the desire to acquire, occupy, confiscate and then to colonize Palestinian land. Source: https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2008/january/cartervisit.html The problem is that that is not apartheid. Apartheid “separateness” is explicitly a racis…

South Africa very much used townships and bantustans as a means of pushing both black South Africans and Namibians off land they wanted for whites. Yes, it is explicitly a racist ideology, but part of that racism is used to justify a treatment of others that enables confiscation and colonization.

The Bantu peoples also pushed the original inhabitants of Southern Africa off of their land (San, Khoi). If we’re going to apply the term apartheid to non-South African contexts[1] then we should also be intellectually rigorous in applying it in the case where the San and Khoi were victims of the Bantu expansion (and later European and Asian).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_people

[1] It is worth noting that we also don’t use the word apartheid to describe the actions and regimes of older times that we see all over the world.

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Post by ta1243 »

vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

Obama was erudite and clear headed. Clinton and Bush I were fine too.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by mig39 »

likeabbas wrote: post #96
mig39 wrote: post #20

He was interviewed on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast, and they talked about the incident. https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105 This was the podcast referenced on the John Oliver show recently, when Oliver talked about Jimmy Carter's UFO incident. They also had a bit of followup (decades later) on the latest Skeptics Guide episode. The current thought is that he saw some aircraft from a ne…

There's strict protocols for aircraft flying near the president's aircraft. There's no way in hell the airbase would allow take off while the president is in the air and he wouldn't have been told about it.

He wasn't president at the time, and he wasn't in the air.
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