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Post by anon22981 »

lettergram wrote: post #70
al_borland wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen videos about lab grown meat being in development. Is it actually available and available at scale? I haven’t looked to see if studies have been done to look at the nutritional profile of lab grown vs normal meat. I’d be curious about that as well before I tried it.

I find the idea of lab grown meat almost comical… So we have these animals, which eat plants and generate fuel (poop) & food (meat). Our bodies are adapted to eating them, our bodies need the same nutrients, and we’re programmed to enjoy the food. The input to this process is mostly grass and grain, both generated via solar power. Now instead… we take grain, highly process it and make someone few people enjoy, with l…

I’d find your take on the matter almost comical if it weren’t so misinformed.

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Post by skhunted »

Dalewyn wrote: post #117
lm28469 wrote: post #106

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> eating is by far one of the biggest pleasures a person can have in life. With 70% of the west being obese or overweight I think the pendulum swung way too far. > This notion of sacrificing Quality of Eating(tm) is therefore a non-starter When did factory farms meat become quality ?? I think you're mistaking quantity and low price for quality. You'd have to be blind to not see how the quality of food decreased in th…

Let me put it in terms of tech so the audience here can relate better: The computers we have at home and in our pockets are inferior in quality to enterprise servers and mainframes, but everyone has computers and nobody is willing to go back to simple Casio calculators and slide rules. The meats we have at home are inferior in quality to artisan meats, but everyone has meats and nobody is willing to go back to eating…

As a description of human behavior and how humans are local optimization machines I think you are spot on. This is where I disagree with you:

…rightfully noone is willing…

I don’t believe this is right in the moral sense or in a global optimization sense. The world’s people are getting richer and as the world’s population begins to live more and more like Americans the world becomes exponentially more polluted. This will eventually affect us all. The world is becoming a toxic shithole. The right thing to do is to make changes now. But for the reasons you stated this isn’t going to happen. As a species we are local optimization machines and we don’t seek to find the global optimum.

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Post by tnel77 »

maxerickson wrote: post #94
3l3ktr4 wrote: post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

You say you expect most people on this website to be rationalist and then you also say that you expect most people on this website to be rationalist.

It’s not perfect, but HackerNews seems to have one of the most intelligent pool of users I’ve had the pleasure of interacting with. It’s not perfect, of course, but the discourse on a HackerNews thread is light years ahead of what you’ll find on Reddit.

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Post by lazide »

lm28469 wrote: post #114
3l3ktr4 wrote: post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

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Quantity has a quality all it’s own.

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Post by someplaceguy »

lm28469 wrote: post #54
mattmaroon wrote: post #13

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It’s just such a shame all 8 billion earthlings are so addicted to food!

We waste like 1/3rd of the food and half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh

> half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh

I don't think half of the planet is overweight or obese due to meat consumption.

If anything, take away the meat (or make it more expensive) and it'd probably lead to even more obesity.

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Post by al_borland »

subquantum2 wrote: post #105
al_borland wrote: post #77

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Your accusation that the tests are fake would mean what, that every test always tests positive? I’ve taken at least a half dozen Covid tests and have never tested positive. That would seemingly kill your conspiracy theory.

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I’ve only ever taken tests when I feel sick, often with a fever.

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Post by bluGill »

ceejayoz wrote: post #79
bluGill wrote: post #15

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How would that change anything. factory farms are more likely to take biosecurity seriously and thus not allow wild bird contact.

These sophisticated operations look like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Feedlot-1.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Confined-animal-feed... I assure you, wild birds are around.

Those are not dairy farms. Those are where cattle are fattened up just before slaughter. Very different situation. Cattle farms also take biosecurity seriously, but so far they have not worried about birds.

Diary cows are kept inside and isolated from everything else since if the cow is sick you have to treat it and dump all milk obtained for a month afterwards.

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Post by sandworm101 »

3l3ktr4 wrote: post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

>> Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases.

Of some diseases. It also prevents other diseases. Isolating animal species, specifically separating their waste, prevents cross-contamination. Google the stories of people getting parasites from lettuce grown on a "small organic farm" downhill from the pig sty. Want to eat raw lettuce and undercooked steak without getting sick? Those privileges come from factory farming techniques.

(I grew up in an area where we washed vegetables in diluted bleach. And I still prefer my meat very well done, burned, because that's how meat must be cooked in parts of the world that don't have western-style factory farming.)

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Post by Dalewyn »

skhunted wrote: post #122
Dalewyn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me put it in terms of tech so the audience here can relate better: The computers we have at home and in our pockets are inferior in quality to enterprise servers and mainframes, but everyone has computers and nobody is willing to go back to simple Casio calculators and slide rules. The meats we have at home are inferior in quality to artisan meats, but everyone has meats and nobody is willing to go back to eating…

As a description of human behavior and how humans are local optimization machines I think you are spot on. This is where I disagree with you: …rightfully noone is willing… I don’t believe this is right in the moral sense or in a global optimization sense. The world’s people are getting richer and as the world’s population begins to live more and more like Americans the world becomes exponentially more polluted. This…

>the world becomes exponentially more polluted. ... The world is becoming a toxic shithole.

I would strongly advise easing off on your intake of mainstream news media, the real world is quite pleasant out here.

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Post by stubish »

CWIZO wrote: post #50
tyfon wrote: post #40

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Alt milks are usually ultra processed and quite unhealthy compared to regular milk. Not sure this is a viable alternative.

You're going to have to provide some sources if you'll be making such bold claims ...

https://www.ewg.org/foodscores/ might help you target specific brands. Many soy milks count as ultra processed because the additives are (calcium, vitamin b etc.). Less healthy than the unadulterated brands? I think the research is still out on that.

(and cow milk often has similar additives, so this isn't supporting the original claim)

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