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Not in the situations that Mercedes is allowing L3: some roads in traffic. The Tesla does really well there.
Then Tesla should take liability in those conditions, if they are confident.
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Grouping Waymo with anyone else including Cruise and Tesla is insane. You don’t know what you’re talking about frankly. Waymo is better than anyone else out there by a mile. Source: I take one daily.
Are there human “watchers” in your waymos? Or are they completely autonomous? They just started testing in my city and have humans sitting there not doing anything. So it makes for kind of an uncomfortable ride. Chitchatting with the Uber driver is the worst part of my ride, so I’m looking forward to just robots.
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Uber has sent me cars that did not have tires, wipers, or headlights. The fact that Waymo sends you a roadworthy car is, by itself, worth $5 per trip.
Is it? Or should a roadworthy car be considered table stakes for actually being on the road, and one which is not is instead worth a police report?
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You can read a book on the way to work. Before going fully remote, I did it every weekday, using a magnificent piece of technology called public transit.
And level 5 beats level 3, however I don’t have any public transport options on the way to work and nobody is selling level 5 self driving cars. Mercedes hasn’t mapped my roads either, but that’s a lower barrier than getting nationwide public transportation setup.
Every dollar spent on private cars reduces that infrastructure, and that's not just my own thinking, but also that of car manufacturers, as evident by their lobbying to derail public transit projects.
So I have to be ready to react to a mistake the car is making, not having any insight into the thought process of the car. I have to be a constantly vigilant backseat driver. Am I on the hook for accidents?
This is L3, so you don’t have to constantly supervise like you do a Tesla with FSD (L2). Mercedes even says you can watch movies or read books. They will achieve a minimum safety condition on their own, which for this system is stopping in the lane with hazard lights on. They also say they will take liability provided you haven’t misused the system or failed to properly maintain the car. But L3 has this grey area whe…
There's debate about this:
http://safeautonomy.blogspot.com/2023/09/no-mercedes-benz-wi...
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How is Waymo pricing compared to Uber or other ride share? I originally thought autonomous cars would greatly reduce costs but considering the tens of billions dumped into these companies, they can't charge lower prices as they have to recoup investments.
In addition to what others have said about pricing, you need to compare Waymo with Uber Black, not UberX or shared rides. Waymo says they are aiming to be a premium service because the cars (Jaguar I-pace) are much nicer and, of course, there’s the novelty of not having a driver.
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In addition to what others have said about pricing, you need to compare Waymo with Uber Black, not UberX or shared rides. Waymo says they are aiming to be a premium service because the cars (Jaguar I-pace) are much nicer and, of course, there’s the novelty of not having a driver.
Uber has sent me cars that did not have tires, wipers, or headlights. The fact that Waymo sends you a roadworthy car is, by itself, worth $5 per trip.
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And level 5 beats level 3, however I don’t have any public transport options on the way to work and nobody is selling level 5 self driving cars. Mercedes hasn’t mapped my roads either, but that’s a lower barrier than getting nationwide public transportation setup.
And this is the why I think pouring money on autonomous driving is a net negative for most but a small group of shareholders: a public transit infrastructure is expensive, but the net benefits are immense, and can be had today. Every dollar spent on private cars reduces that infrastructure, and that's not just my own thinking, but also that of car manufacturers, as evident by their lobbying to derail public transit p…
Further I don’t live in a city so my local government has zero interest in public transportation beyond school buses. We just don’t have the density where it makes any sense. When I did live in a city the issue wasn’t drivers it was the inability to scale roads for local demand. Self driving cars don’t change anything about that equation.
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No, this is all wrong. Mercedes is offering L3. Tesla FSD is partial L2. The fact that Tesla doesn't self insure tells you everything you need to know. Writing that off as some footnote is missing the forest for the trees.
Tesla FSD capabilities far exceeds all other car manufacture systems by a wide margin. Mercedes has Level 3, but that's only a legal thing, it says nothing about what the car can actually do. Right now hundreds of thousands American Tesla owners are in their one month free trial FSD month and drive around with it on all kind of streets and weather conditions. There is no one else beside Tesla that is capable of doing…
I have no idea what you're talking about with Waymo. The disengagement rates are orders of magnitude different. FSD is just simply not the magical secret sauce that you want it to be.