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When I was a teenager in the 90s, playing in bands before I got into tech, I knew a slightly older girl who worked as a model. She had a beeper for go-sees that always made plans difficult. In hindsight I may have been very naive, but sometimes I'm still grateful she allowed me my innocence.
A "go-see" is when the model visits a photographer to discuss a potential shoot?
Implication being that she was actually a call girl or drug dealer.
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Because it shows no remorse. The reason for reduced sentences for juvenile offenders is the idea that they ‘didn’t know any better’. That they can learn and grow and NOT be a menace to society soon. If they still refuse to take any ownership or show any contrition even after being clearly shown something was a major problem (hence the court case), then why reduce the penalty? Who would it be helping, exactly?
Remorse for what? Something he didn't do? There is nothing to be remorseful about. This is the sort of non-logic where you're presumed guilty and/or punished for asserting your innocence. Aside from the obvious absurdness of it, it's also literally unconstitutional as it violates your 5th amendment rights, which is why another judge reversed the decision later on. And considering all of this is about an 11-year old m…
It doesn't mean you actually did, but it does mean the system says you did.
Which is the point of my comment. It doesn't mean it actually makes sense in real life, but it's why the system does what it does.
And the reason why the system will prosecute kids like adults sometimes - the nominal reason is because they don't think it's worth giving them a pass either due to the severe nature of the crime, or because of the lack of contrition of the accused.
If they're actually innocent, then per the system they should get zero penalty eventually regardless of how they are prosecuted.
We know that being held in an adult jail while awaiting trial is a pretty severe penalty in fact of course, which is why it eventually got thrown out that he got treated that way. Plenty of adults get stuck in jail for years while awaiting trial, then get released and theoretically suffered no penalty either. But we also know that is bullshit. No clear better alternatives (except bail) have shown themselves however.
If the kid had been caught on tape murdering a bunch of other kids and still claimed he was innocent, then no one would be objecting that he be put in an adult jail while awaiting trial though. Since putting someone that violent in a juvenile facility is making it as dangerous as an adult one.
Judges have wide discretion to make these calls, and this judge clearly screwed up.
But that's the how and the why.
Lets not forget the : Rock-Satan scare of the 80's. Rap-Drug Scare Walkman will let kids get snatched up. The pager Trans people are coming for your husband. Seems like every decade people have to freak out. But it isn't just the common generational trope. The religious right has to always have another issue that can be used as the poster boy for the war on Lucifer. If you don't have a boogie man, then how do you kee…
Let's also not forget the scares about the dangers of smoking, leaded gasoline, asbestos, licking radium paint, and drunk driving. Not all new inventions are a net benefit to society just because they are new, not all things are always good in all contexts, and 2024 is not the end of history, or of cultural evolution.
But all of your examples are 'real'. Real physical things that can impact someone materially. Chemicals, products.
Lot of the 'scare' things are just 'ideas'. Should we outlaw ideas is the problem. That is basically how anti-communism works, 'communism' is an idea that the right calls a 'mind virus' that we should ban because it can infect people.
Of course, super hard to tell what is freedom of speech these days. I've been hearing the right scream about freedom of speech for years now, and all of sudden with Gaza they want to round people up if anybody criticizes Israel.
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So you want them to lie? My dad was like that. I admitted to several things I didn't do in order to reduce the amount of caning. This led to a funny incident at school. Somebody did something, and another grassed. The bully came to question me - I had no memory of telling on him, but the way he described the comments, I though oh that does sound like something I'd say. I took the beating. Then the actual grass came u…
Unclear what a 'grass' is. Are you referring to falling down?
Nobody thought me or any of my private school friends were drug dealers for having beepers. They just thought the beepers were a distraction, and not allowed in class. I don't remember them being banned but they might have been eventually.
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Because it shows no remorse. The reason for reduced sentences for juvenile offenders is the idea that they ‘didn’t know any better’. That they can learn and grow and NOT be a menace to society soon. If they still refuse to take any ownership or show any contrition even after being clearly shown something was a major problem (hence the court case), then why reduce the penalty? Who would it be helping, exactly?
So you want them to lie? My dad was like that. I admitted to several things I didn't do in order to reduce the amount of caning. This led to a funny incident at school. Somebody did something, and another grassed. The bully came to question me - I had no memory of telling on him, but the way he described the comments, I though oh that does sound like something I'd say. I took the beating. Then the actual grass came u…
No admittance of fault, but not going to fight the prosecution either because it isn't worth it.
It isn't necessarily fair or sane - it's predictable though. Which is something.
Forget the beeper. The idea of arresting a child at school for anything (short of maybe violent assault) seems to be madness.
And they wonder why we grew up to hate authority figures.