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Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
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Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
She is big enough to build her mega-church like venues, or just rent a mega church. The has way to many of those anyway, so some actual use might come from them. The important thing would be for Taylor and a few others to give the middle finger to live nation / ticketmaster, but like mentioned earlier, its not in her or her labels interest.
Even if it is in her interest to not deal with Ticketmaster, her business is performing life music. She as her team aren't trying to create work for themselves to screw TM, they want to do what they do. Imagine trying to set up logistics at a venue/church which has never held a large concert before.
Have you ever been to a mega church? They basically are a large concert. Not the 80,000 people kind, but of the size that would rival a decent percentage of touring acts. Lakewood church in Houston has 45,000 attendees a week.
I think the church idea is a brilliant TM workaround, until they lock that up too.
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#123Finally. Between the market dominance via Live Nation and Ticketmaster merge. The venue exclusivity contracts they insist upon. They are a grotesque monopoly.
They are but the DoJ is getting involved 30 years too late. They crushed all of the meaningful competition that long ago. Even breaking the company up into parts wouldn't suddenly fix the industry.
It will allow room for ticketing companies to actually exist though. Right now it's basically just livenation and a long tail of smaller companies, many of which got swallowed up by eg; eventbrite.
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#124I'm as glad as anyone else to see an abusive company get some scrutiny, B U T . . .
Everyone is complaining about Ticketmaster but they're still giving them their money, so how are they supposed to respond? They are not being financially incentivized to change their ways. This feels a lot like the video gamer who hates Video Game Company XYZ with the passion of a thousand suns, yet like clockwork buys their video games again and again.
Show tickets aren't even a necessity. They're not like food and water--nobody has to buy them. Each and every dollar Ticketmaster collects is from a fan making a voluntary purchase of a luxury. Purchasing from a company that abuses them.
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
They most definitely have some BS in the fine print about how they're not responsible for their awful system, as CYA for things like this. Truly scum of the earth.
If I had to guess, it is probably in their fine print, and the ability to pay for a refund would be a further refutation in a chargeback case. That the ticket could not be sold via their system for whatever reason, is not a 'simple' act, although TBH maybe they should write to the DOJ or whatever... given some of the other stuff they've been caught doing, it would not at all surprise me to see some `if (!ticket.HadRe…
You may win the judgement in small claims court, but how will you collect? That is another dilemma.
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I attempted to charge back the purchase since they did not provide what I paid for (tickets I could sell), and they fought me and won somehow. This has happened to me twice now (though not with TicketMaster) and I was 100% in the right, and I lost. When I mentioned it on HN I was met with a lot of doubters. I think something has really changed regarding chargebacks.
They most definitely have some BS in the fine print about how they're not responsible for their awful system, as CYA for things like this. Truly scum of the earth.
> how they're not responsible for their awful system,
Yea, this is something that has to be protected by consumer rights laws. Otherwise companies will be like "It's unfortunate we have a monopoly, but fuck off and give us your money. Thank You. Your case has been closed".
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#127Japan has fantastic ticketing system that has reasonable ticket price that is fixed, and no scalpers can buy all the tickets because it is a lottery system.
So rationing? I wouldn't call that fantastic. Why should someone who's barely interested but willing to go for $10 more deserving of a seat than a super fan willing to save up to shell out $150 for a seat?
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#128I'm as glad as anyone else to see an abusive company get some scrutiny, B U T . . . Everyone is complaining about Ticketmaster but they're still giving them their money, so how are they supposed to respond? They are not being financially incentivized to change their ways. This feels a lot like the video gamer who hates Video Game Company XYZ with the passion of a thousand suns, yet like clockwork buys their video gam…
> Everyone is complaining about Ticketmaster but they're still giving them their money, so how are they supposed to respond?
This is why monopoly is a market failure. There isn't a market mechanism that can correct this.
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
100% chargebacks have changed in the last 2-3 years. I had a vendor send me the wrong part and refuse a refund. Even showing that they sent the wrong part despite ordering the correct part, my chargeback was denied.
I think a lot of banks have gotten weary of chargeback scams and taking the brunt of Amazon's binning practices. Frankly, I'd think it better if they just cut off those bad retailers from the system, which is where the failing is. Alas, monopolies in -that- sector as far as I know prevent a single bank from doing a whole lot, especially when it's a vendor that does so much volume that all the legitimate chargebacks w…
Chargebacks are only as aggressive as the bank's customers are willing to enforce by leaving / suing against the vendor's level of customer expectation of service. Outside of a vocal minority, no one is going to want a card that doesn't work on amazon.
The playing field has been rapidly shrinking, and the customer base is much more stressed and unwilling to fight.
Not to mention that's also roughly around the timeframe that binding arbitration really got pervasive.
Re: Justice Department to file antitrust suit against Live Nation
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's good to be calling non-government charges a tax. Fee or Commission works fine here. The line item for sellers/buyers agent isn't "tax" when you buy/sell a house despite it being a percentage.
Let's go the other way! Any of these corporate entities that control am entire vertical were produced by the centralizing logic of the US economy and legal landscape. Boeing is but the USG's plane manufacturing division, masquerading as a public company. Live Nation is the defacto ticketing provider. As government (created, controlled) entities, it's entirely reasonable to me to call this a tax.
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