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Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

Bjartr wrote: post #91
cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

In general people struggle to consider how others' experiences might differ from their own.

Which is why it’s just as absurd to say “remote work is superior”. Just don’t try saying that to anyone here.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

threetonesun wrote: post #95
jimkleiber wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to know what types of interactions happen on that 90% of her time on video calls. If it's one-on-one meetings all day over video call, I can imagine why they might want to have them in the same room with someone as video calls can really drain some people (including me).

A lot of larger companies already have distributed teams though, so even if you are in an office you often can't get everyone into the same room, and you have to do a video call no matter what.

Yes, but we’re talking about one person here. She’s not speaking for all people or organisations. She’s speaking for herself and her own experience.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by gryn »

thunky wrote: post #105
cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

> she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office Ah yes, some people will use any excuse to get away from their family/kids. Before WFH these people were traveling to any meeting or conference they could find.

I remember a coworker that would go to a closed office 5/5 days in middle the covid discouragement + ban (managed to find a way to get access from some manager) just to get away from his wife, his children are grown up (18+).

I was so full of questions those 2 years we worked in the same office but couldn't really ask without it being touchy.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by chiefalchemist »

akurtzhs wrote: post #85
charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

YMMV. I prefer hybrid with two days a week in the office. You can dedicate those days to meetings and conversations and keep the remote days for more heads down work. And if you can’t make it to the office due to snow or travel, you’re prepared for remote work.

2 of 5 days? Or 2 of 4? If your company went to the 4 day week, would you still prefer 2 days?

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by devin »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #121
Bjartr wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general people struggle to consider how others' experiences might differ from their own.

Which is why it’s just as absurd to say “remote work is superior”. Just don’t try saying that to anyone here.

I support people in working how they want to work.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by ghaff »

thfuran wrote: post #98
ghaff wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an unreasonable commute 1-2 days per week though. I've done it in the past. The Bay Area is probably particularly difficult to get far enough out for housing to be reasonable but many areas are not.

A two hour one way commute is entirely unreasonable at any frequency unless it's on the clock.

I'm close to that if I come into the city for a customer visit at the briefing center. I'm salaried so I'm not sure what "on the clock" means in that context. But I don't do it frequently so it's not my favorite thing but it's manageable.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

al_borland wrote: post #115
atleastoptimal wrote: post #18

I agree that there is a real difference between being at work vs working from home. You build a connection to the workplace. Your brain shifts into "work mode" by default. People talk to each other, culture develops, etc. These are obviously all good things. The problem is, most jobs people do have an element of mindlessness and aren't cutting edge, innovating spaces. Most white-collar jobs people work in are satelli…

I found a lot of people treat being in the office as the job. They can walk around, socialize, and not really do anything useful, but they are “at work”, so it’s ok. Meanwhile, people at home feel like they need to prove their worth and make sure their impact is being felt, so they work harder.

My co-workers now do remote standup, travel to the office to get in around 10:30, and leave at 3 to make it home for 4 and log out at 5. So much more efficient than just... staying home and working the entire day.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by throwiforgtnlzy »

FYI: Meta is de-facto insisting on RTO and not offering a remote option for new employees.

This trend has nothing to do with productivity and is all about the egos of control-freak managers "maintaining control" over employees in a way that wastes employees' time and money and harms the company's reputation.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by nicoburns »

al_borland wrote: post #101
akurtzhs wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YMMV. I prefer hybrid with two days a week in the office. You can dedicate those days to meetings and conversations and keep the remote days for more heads down work. And if you can’t make it to the office due to snow or travel, you’re prepared for remote work.

Doesn’t this only work if everyone you need to have meetings with also has the same plan for 2 meeting days per week?

Some hybrid workplaces specify which days you need to attend
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