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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…

Don’t knock it until you try it. You might like it!

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

> there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use I agree with that for some drugs, but certainly not cannabis. That's observational; there are simply not enough reported cases of problems to make that true wrt cannabis use. Of course, that leaves the possibility that cases aren't reported. Again, based on personal observation, I would be amazed if the ratio of cannabis…

I think both are not addictive per se, so it's just people whose life is so bad they just want to tune out all the time.

Alchol is more available so more people are alcholics.

I think cannabis is preferable as it won't destroy your liver and there are ways (vaping, edible) to assume it without wrecking your lungs.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially: Production and trade under very strict restriction in so-called cannabis clubs. Trade as a non-narcotic medication in pharmacies, restricted to prescriptions. Production at home, with very strict limits towards quantity of plants and size of harvest. Possession of limited amounts of cannabis and thus public consumption with restrictions regarding proximity to institutions for children.

It should be noted that a lot of things are still illegal and are being worked on. Two examples: You are not allowed to share cannabis. The amount of THC in your blood that would make it illegal to drive is 1 ng/mL blood serum. This is essentially nothing and can, anecdotally, be triggered by losing weight after consuming.

The 1ng limit will very very likely be changed to 3.5.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #105
post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

And still alcohol is legal despite all proven destruction it causes

So is driving.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #103

I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…

> and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy

That's like deciding to never try beer after seeing some people getting blackout drunk. Of course, it's your choice and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but still a weird argument to make. A lot of things when taken to the extreme can lead to very negative outcomes, not exactly a good reason to penalize (I know you're not suggesting that) or judge the people capable of moderation.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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> cultivate up to three marijuana plants at home I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption). Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...

1. There are further limits on the size of harvests, making growing at home pretty much infeasible. 2. German rental law is very restrictive. Essentially, for most purposes, you are the master of the place you inhabit. Such a restriction will probably not be legal and thus non-binding, even if stated in the contract.

Growing at home is not infeasable. The 50g concern dried weight. Its still not clear how the law will be interpreted, we will have to see what the courts will say.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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post #103

I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…

It feels like you are describing fentanyl. You can do a lot of enjoyable things while high and you generally don't collapse to the ground when smoking weed. Cannabis is a tool, if you misuse it, you can waste your entire life - but it's heaps better than sugar or alchol, especially if you avoid smoking it (which destroys your lungs). Edibles or vapes are much better. If you use it well, it can be a good aid to relax…

> better than sugar

Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue. Also a lot depends on how you chose to consume cannabis if you're smoking it, it's no better than tobacco (besides that you're likely to do that way less frequently).

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By what means does a government have the ability to a/ take choice away, b/ give it back? Is it a moral consensus, if it is backed by force? It's simply that the whole thing is an illusion agreed upon. Or rather, stumbled into, educated into, assumed! There's no agreed consensus. Is it ok to mislead people into false beliefs? > if you think that a lawless society would afford you any freedom, you are entirely mistake…

A lawbound state gives me the freedom to live my life without being murdered by someone who knows there are no repercussions for doing so. If you think there is a good reason to allow murder, then please explain what that is. I do agree with you that many laws are overreaching, like those that prevent me from doing something with no negative effect on anyone else, just like the law we're discussing here.

You are never safe. The police likely won't save you, they won't even bother investigating theft.

You'd have better service if you paid a private police force to protect you.

Maybe without all the waste in government budgets your private police will have more money to spend on patrolling the streets of your neighborhood and installing cameras to actually do something useful.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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I think most people are moving to vaping, which produced much, much less smell. Plus, vapour doesn't "stick" to things and make them smell forever more like smoke does. Also, edibles are really popular these days.

>vapour doesn't "stick" to things

I used to vape indoors, and vape absolutely does stick to everything if you don't have good ventilation. It doesn't smell like toboacco, but it's this greasy/sticky coating instead. It was total shit-show to clean everything when I moved.

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