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Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Thanks ushtaritk. The problem is, Indians can’t create an America. What they create is an India, and they will, inevitably, in America also. And that’s a shame.

97% of the population of the United States has family trees that immigrated into America less than 500 years ago. We're all bringing parts of our culture with us. We're all creating America together. That's what America is.

From where?

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There are exceptions to everything. But only native-born US citizens are eligible for some jobs, e.g. in the military. Other countries may be even more particular and require your parents to be natives too. This is not discrimination but plain old common sense. What foreigner or foreign-adjacent person can really be trusted? If there is an exception to be made, the trust extended must be minimal.

> But only native-born US citizens are eligible for some jobs, e.g. in the military. There are exactly two jobs where that is required, and only one is kind-of in the military, in that it is legally the apex of all military chains of command. (There are other security-related, especially in the military, jobs where actual or potential dual citizens, the latter more commonly being an issue when people have foreign bor…

I think it's de facto required to be a US citizen (and preferably by birth) in more jobs than you think. It makes lots of sense. We have had scientists come from other countries to infiltrate our nuclear program, and we may not have even caught them all. This type of espionage is expected, and it is righteous to stop it. "Discrimination" or not, it is entirely reasonable for nationality and background to rule people out for any nationally sensitive job. I don't think you can find any country outside the West where the legitimacy of this criterion is questioned on the basis of fairness.

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Actually, as a hiring manager, you can't discriminate between whether someone is a U.S. Citizen or an H1B. So in reality, you're going through a stack of applicants in order. If your HR group puts a bunch of H1B's in front of a citizen candidate, that's it. So no, your assertion that there is an implicit "there is no American we can hire to fill this" is false. We can't even consider that.

Sounds crap. Also, what hiring manager is letting HR decide in what order their candidate pool is meritorious? HR can barely judge a local talent contest let alone someone's ability to undertake skilled work. If I say to my HR that a candidate needs to know Python with environmental experience I'm just as likely to have a candidate put forward who was a wildlife carer 20 years ago since they handled pythons as I am t…

Look, like it or not, we all have to work with our HR apparatus. If I have the choice between running their department and keeping mine functional, I have to accept that they at some level know what they are doing. Not to mention, when your HR head has the JD, and you don't, what you think you know is outweighed by their credential.

Now, was I misinformec by an HR person during my time as a hiring manager? Maybe. But guess what, I didn't control their pipeline, and I had work to make sure got done. I'll definitely be adding HR people to my list of groups to talk to when interviewing companies interested in hiring for a hiring manager position though, because the sheer amount of hell that experience came with was beyond unreasonable.

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I don’t think there is anything wrong with this. If anything, we should change the law to encourage much more high-skill immigration

This isn't a question pro/against immigration, this is a question of did Tata break existing laws protecting domestic labor. > If anything, we should change the law to encourage much more high-skill immigration. I don't think any reasonable person would argue argue against importing highly skilled laborers to increase GDP per capita, that is, to fill a genuine labor shortage that domestic supply cannot fill within a…

All increases in the number of people doing work and creating things can increase GDP per capita (especially if you count the increase in the income of the person who immigrated, as you should). Inexpensive Indian IT guy makes IT cheaper, which is good for everyone except those who directly compete (and even for them it's not really that bad). This makes it so more things that are complementary to IT can be done. Broad-based benefit that outweighs a narrowly-experienced cost.
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