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Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by whamlastxmas »

modeless wrote: post #83
willwade wrote: post #26

Some clarity for ppl. - Other techniques would likely work for this patient. Eyegaze technology is pretty readily available. He has proximity switches for driving his chair and lets not forget voice control. So.. what does BCIe offer significantly? I think this is the BIG problem BCI has. The gains are not enough for a lot of people compared to what the AT sector can already offer. Please remember this. This guy coul…

Eye tracking does not work nearly as well as people imagine. It cannot directly replace a mouse pointer the way you want it to. The accuracy and reliability are not good enough and never will be due to physical constraints. This system is likely already working better than an eye tracker would for cursor control, and it will certainly improve. Apple has done great stuff with eye tracking on Vision Pro, but it require…

Eye tracking on AVP works very well on websites that are not at all designed for it.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by whamlastxmas »

willwade wrote: post #26

Some clarity for ppl. - Other techniques would likely work for this patient. Eyegaze technology is pretty readily available. He has proximity switches for driving his chair and lets not forget voice control. So.. what does BCIe offer significantly? I think this is the BIG problem BCI has. The gains are not enough for a lot of people compared to what the AT sector can already offer. Please remember this. This guy coul…

There’s a ton more that these implants can do other than cursor control. And not needing external visible hardware like other forms of input is a bigger deal than you might think, and especially in terms of the user wanting to feel more “normal” and less of a robot in a bundle of contraptions

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by whamlastxmas »

heavyset_go wrote: post #17

I'm curious if he's signed any type of NDA or non-disparagement agreement to receive the implant.

They probably interviewed him to see if he’d be a good person for PR reasons. And I imagine he got it for free. So he has plenty to be happy about with the situation

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by 93po »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #30
dkersten wrote: post #13

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Doesn’t have to be faked either, I remember the Emotiv made similar claims and had similar demos where to the best of my understanding eventually people figured out it wasn’t really reading your brainwaves but rather facial muscles or something (a friend of mine works in brain computer interfacing and explained it to me once but I don’t remember the details — it wasn’t that they were actively trying to mislead necess…

I don't think it's fake in this sense - the technology already exists for quite some time - there are devices like that even allow people to talk - check Synchron for example. But it may be fake in the sense that it's not viable for a long term use and / or necessitates a very controlled environment. That would indeed match the pattern for Musk companies - articulate a grandiose vision, show a working demo to amaze t…

This is some weird stock market doom and gloom astroturfing and is a massive stretch to discuss given the context of the OP

Also after reviewing your post history, it’s overwhelmingly you shitting on the same stocks with really ridiculous hyperbole and not much else. And a warren buffet quote thrown in for good measure.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #104
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #86

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Animal trials have always been used to further human medicine. Google searches let us assume that anywhere from 12 to 50 monkeys died during Neuralink trials. 100 billion animals are eaten every year.

Yup I don't feel sad at all anymore. Lets kill more monkeys!

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by Balgair »

bfeynman wrote: post #119
Veserv wrote: post #95

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Can you point to a study showing that Neuralink has achieved any of those things you mentioned? What evidence is there that the implants have reduced scar tissue formation and what supports the assertion that they would be usable for years? What other previous devices are you comparing it to that allows you to positively assert that it is better than them? You can not just reel off every bullet point on the marketing…

the only development (and it wasnt invented by neuralink) is flexible and smaller electrodes seem to take longer for scarring to take over than larger and more rigid ones. Right now, it seems that their only path is to help people with severe disabilities get better quality of life for a few years, which many people might take.

I've worked with Deep Brain Stimulation and other cranial implants before. Mostly on the hardware side and the implantation side.

I want to stress that giving a person a few years is a big deal. It's not something to scoff at. Even a few months can really help someone out.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by Veserv »

timschmidt wrote: post #116
Veserv wrote: post #97

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No, they were unequivocal lies. In 2019:“ I think we will be feature-complete full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention — this year. I would say that I am certain of that. That is not a question mark." [1]. See the part where he says: "That is not a question mark." That is called making a clear…

Not if he believed what he was saying, which is about intent, and impossible to prove. It is rather a lot easier to make unfounded claims about someone's intention than it is to engineer self-driving cars, reusable rockets, high resolution BCIs, world wide space internet, and faster lighter cheaper underground tunnel boring machines, let alone all of them at once. Thank the stars someone is not judging you so harshly…

Good thing the most stringent generally accepted burden of proof for intent is “beyond a reasonable doubt”, not “100% mathematically certain”.

In his situation, no sane person of even average intelligence would have any cause to believe that Tesla would have autonomous vehicles by the end of the year.

At the time the statement was made, 5 years after Tesla began development, Tesla had not even begun testing with no driver. It has been 5 years since then and FSD is still 10,000x worse than human drivers and they have still not even begun testing with no driver.

He was lying beyond any reasonable doubt.

As to your laundry list of marketing slide bullet points. Can you please identify how a list of claimed accomplishments proves a unrelated statement is not a lie?

I can see how it could prove someone is a habitual liar since Elon Musk has not delivered safer-than-human “self-driving cars”, “cheaper underground tunnel boring machines”, or “high resolution BCIs” so half of your supporting statements are outright fabrications that you made zero effort to validate before repeating.

If that is the standard of proof you apply, then I would thank the stars if people would judge me as uncritically. I could make up any fantasy and people would eat it up because how could they know I am lying, maybe I am just a colossal moron, but also a genius visionary.

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