Strangely enough, at about the time this macOS update came out, the virtual USB hub in my Win7 VM (Fusion 11.5.7), which I run on a Catalina (10.15.7) Mac broke. This is after years of no issues. I didn't update anything except maybe Chrome & Tailscale on the Mac, maybe Firefox & Cisco Anyconnect on the VM. No changes to the VM settings or the devices I normaly plug into the Mac's USB. Now I did update a MBP on the same network to macOS 14.4 when it came out, but how could that affect anything?
USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
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Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#122Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?
Windows updates before MS fired their QA department were uneventful, after they fired their QA department, serious issues started popping up every single month . Including server systems not booting anymore.
That doesn't track for me.
One of the reasons MS introduced "patch Tuesday" in 2003 was because Windows updates until then had been notorious for years for causing issues randomly, which their corporate users hated firefighting without warning. By rolling out their updates on a predictable schedule, corporate IT depts could set their calendar to keep a day (or two) per month clear to do post-update firefighting, or (if they were really on the ball) to make time for their own QA before releasing the update to the rest of the org.
So unless the QA firing you're talking about was more than a quarter-century ago, Windows updates have always been issue-laden shitshows.
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#123My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…
If the printer it's shared over a wifi network, you can just use netcat: nc your_printer_ip 9100
This does not always work for me. Sometimes it makes my printer print out dozens of pages of garbled commands. It varies between sources and tries, so I don't know.
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, because Apple can do no wrong. You ask any long time macOS/OSX user and they will point to Apple software quality worsening well before anything comes up in the news media. Heck, I'm in the camp that thinks Apple OSX software quality peaked at Snow Leopard and it has been all downhill since then, and this camp is massive. I doubt we're being influenced by the "media".
People always assume that anyone defending Apple is a fanboy of some kind or other. I'm not. I personally can't stand their products and wish that I didn't have to use a Mac for work. What I am is skeptical that subjective pulse checks of social media threads are a good way to measure software quality. They're a decent way to measure public sentiment, not actual error rates.
Yeah, I haven't seen an apple "fanboy" in the classic sense of the word in over a decade. I mean, the daring fireball guy always gives apple the benefit of the doubt, but I've ran into far more people with a borderline irrational hatred of apple to the point where they can't not complain.
I was a total apple advocate between 2004-2014. Now it's become just preferable to windows (although the trackpad on laptops is miles ahead of anything in PC land I've come across). I'm getting more and more annoyed at the iphone, but the alternative is a phone run by an advertising company...
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple does not accumulate a trail of old hardware. They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years. Their “tail” is always about the same length. I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days. It “just works”. So, a “long tail” of hardware is no excuse anyway. Apple is in the middle off a platform transition from Intel to their own silicon. Some of these pro…
>They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years. And people give Microsoft shit for not supporting Windows 10 more than 10 years when Apple only does 5. >I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days That's incredibly brave (or foolish) to have no fear of upgrading Arch, considering Arch does indeed break, it's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.…
Arch breaks extremely infrequently these days. I run it on >10 machines at work and home, some even in internal prod.
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#126My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…
Sounds like Canon is really bad in supporting driver changes in subsequent OS releases. I recall diagnosing the same issue with a colleagues Mac over 10 years ago. She updated the OS and the printer she bought with the computer 3 OS'es ago stopped working. Turns out something with how Printers were handled changed and Canon refused to release updated drivers for a discontinued machine. I recall that some third party…
How on earth is it Canon's fault when Apple releases a breaking change?
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#127My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…
Sounds like Canon is really bad in supporting driver changes in subsequent OS releases. I recall diagnosing the same issue with a colleagues Mac over 10 years ago. She updated the OS and the printer she bought with the computer 3 OS'es ago stopped working. Turns out something with how Printers were handled changed and Canon refused to release updated drivers for a discontinued machine. I recall that some third party…
> Turns out something with how Printers were handled changed
What about backwards compatibility?
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plenty of java software is used by regular users. Minecraft is incredibly popular and one of the few games that (used to) run natively on mac.
Anecdata: I've put in tens of hours into Minecraft on 14.4 without a single client issue.
Now the plot thickens because I have seen users report they specifically cannot get minecraft working. I wonder what might be different between hardware or software config to cause this for them and not for you. Are you using the system java or maybe a different java version you put in another location?
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#129My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…
The root (/) is a disk image/APFS snapshot. Apple didn't delete anything... their update replaced that image that you are booting from, which is supposed to be read-only.
/dev/disk3s3s1 on / (apfs, sealed, local, read-only, journaled)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local, nobrowse)
/dev/disk3s6 on /System/Volumes/VM (apfs, local, noexec, journaled, noatime, nobrowse)
/dev/disk3s4 on /System/Volumes/Preboot (apfs, local, journaled, nobrowse)
/dev/disk3s2 on /System/Volumes/Update (apfs, local, journaled, nobrowse)
/dev/disk1s2 on /System/Volumes/xarts (apfs, local, noexec, journaled, noatime, nobrowse)
/dev/disk1s1 on /System/Volumes/iSCPreboot (apfs, local, journaled, nobrowse)
/dev/disk1s3 on /System/Volumes/Hardware (apfs, local, journaled, nobrowse)
/dev/disk3s1 on /System/Volumes/Data (apfs, local, journaled, nobrowse, protect, root data)
map auto_home on /System/Volumes/Data/home (autofs, automounted, nobrowse)
Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
>They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years. And people give Microsoft shit for not supporting Windows 10 more than 10 years when Apple only does 5. >I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days That's incredibly brave (or foolish) to have no fear of upgrading Arch, considering Arch does indeed break, it's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.…
Arch breaks extremely infrequently these days. I run it on >10 machines at work and home, some even in internal prod.
How much are you willing to vouch for Arch? Will you give me $10k next time my Arch breaks at update?