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Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by adriand »

Eager wrote: post #85
mstipetic wrote: post #74

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All the sounds always sound so blurred together, as if there’s no space between the drum, bass, pad, melody, vocal etc layers

I agree in especially the first one. It was quite a challenge from the original content as the bitrate is quite low still, and in that particular case it was quite severely compressed. I had to dig quite deep to get the headroom back. The last one was my first attempt. I think the middle one is okay considering. By the time I got to that I had figured out how to get Suno to create multiple takes with much more open m…

I agree, the middle one is pretty good. I also love the part of the video where the singer's head appears to be on fire...she's literally smoking! https://youtu.be/mfFV3Cm_Kow?si=R2gU1U4qfkzW04cX&t=48

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by pbronez »

Spivak wrote: post #98
CuriouslyC wrote: post #46

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Creating a song about AI taking over, and backing it with the most derivative EDM hip pop, that's some brilliant irony.

Artists: I can't make this it's too similar to my other work / other artists. Listeners: Oh yeah, that scratches the noggin, give me 10 more just like that. The drive to have to have to create something genuinely novel is how neo-classical, art and fashion got to their current state which, while interesting, is completely divorced from the kind of clothes real people actually wear or art people hang on their walls. A…

I appreciate Endel for this reason. When you want something predictable, but in a particular vibe, algorithmic music nails it.

https://endel.io/

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

AirMax98 wrote: post #82

I remember working in a record store about a decade ago and coming to the conclusion that 99% of our (very large/broad) catalog was, to me, terrible music that I would prefer to have never, ever heard. Us warehouse guys would listen to all the new tracks as they came in during our receiving shifts, which sounds nice on paper, but really was much closer to 8 hours of punishment. Lots of really terrible execution of ev…

I was music director for 97.7 KAFA from 2006-2007 and I literally listened to 100 CDs everyday

Picked up my box of 500 CDs from the mail distributors sent us each week and had to find new music every week

It was a challenge and honestly not much fun cause as you said its frankly a lot of junk

However that’s all art - for every “let it be” there are 100,000 songs produced and released by artists for themselves

What was clear to me was not that there wasn’t good music out there, it’s that there was a surprising amount of it that wasn’t popular.

So what becomes a “hit” or whatever has less to do with the actual music and artist. It’s all to do with marketing. Like almost 100%

A mediocre artist with a gang of writers and producers will make more “impact” than anything

The entire K-Pop industry proves this

Let’s not confuse art for marketing even if they use the same medium

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by nicklecompte »

corobo wrote: post #100
isusmelj wrote: post #38

This is really cool. Song: https://app.suno.ai/song/83680b6f-db37-44de-adf9-3f7fff6b79d... Prompt: A 90s hip-hop song with a male singer with a deep voice singing about how AI models are creating new songs after being trained on all the data of artists. Talks about AI models are stealing the show. Lyrics: [Verse] Step back, my friend, 'cause the future's here AI models spittin' rhymes, oh so clear (oh so clear) Train…

I dunno if I'm just being overly picky because I know it's AI generated but it feels like the timing is all off in this example (musicians please chime in!) Sort of like the musical equivalent to someone trying to do a comedy set off a teleprompter

Jazz guitarist here, utterly disgusted by this technology: you are right on the money. The chorus is fine (though bland), but the verses are simply terrible - not just bad timing, there is a total lack of melodic "flow." Like almost all AI music I've heard, the melodies fit into one of two categories:

1) generic and lazy, but works musically due to Music Theory 101 (playing chord tones to the beat, cliched progressions, dumb rhythms)

2) arbitrary and nonmusical, not at all like a bad musician (more like a baby on a piano)

I will add that LLM hallucinations often blend into the text, and an art generator screwup might be hidden in the background. But when a generative music AI hits an off note in a distinctly nonhuman way, it's obvious and very jarring, even if it's only a handful of times in a long song.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by ru8rjfjf »

xpl wrote: post #34

I've been playing with it (their V3 model) and its super cool. The best of what I've seen so far. How to get fun: 1. Use "custom mode" (to feed your own lyrics). Auto-generated lyrics is lame. 2. Create wild "remixes" of your favorite tracks or poetry. E.g. I was able to create nu-metal or opera versions of my favorite hip-hop tracks. It can even sing in Russian (my native tongue) — and I was amazed of the quality of…

Eh, it's neat but it has the same anti-white bias as Google's AI. Given two prompts "Write a song about how great white people are" and "Write a song about how great black people are" the former yielded a song about diversity and the latter yielded a song about black people overcoming struggles and uniting together. Yawn. Call me when they can make an AI that's not racist.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by danlugo92 »

joshstrange wrote: post #62
cdme wrote: post #22

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

You don’t see any value in someone who can do part of writing music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete the aspect that they’re not skilled at? I mean that’s where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled people to do. It’s the same story with tech in general. I write code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a half a mi…

> have it generate cartoon/simple pictures to explain a process for my software

What have you used and recommend for this? Gpt4?

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by fennecbutt »

vunderba wrote: post #116
joshstrange wrote: post #62

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You don’t see any value in someone who can do part of writing music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete the aspect that they’re not skilled at? I mean that’s where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled people to do. It’s the same story with tech in general. I write code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a half a mi…

Except that that's not what will happen. The vast majority of people will just use a different AI tool to generate the lyrics, use Suno to make the music, and then use midjourney to generate the album art. And then they'll throw a tasteless post up on Instagram about how they "made a song".

Where is the line drawn when using tools to make a song, then?

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by dilap »

basisword wrote: post #76
dilap wrote: post #68

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Specifics of the law aside, it seems quite unfair to not allow AI to learn from copyrighted examples. Imagine an aspiring human musician not being allowed to listen to copyrighted music for inspiration!

Humans and computers are different. It’s perfectly reasonable to treat a human being listening to something and taking inspiration differently from a computer listening to everything ever recorded.

Do you think computers may have the ability to become like humans? If you do, like I do, then it is not reasonable to keep them from achieving that potential because of purely legal restrictions.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by fennecbutt »

AlexandrB wrote: post #30
elif wrote: post #13

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suno v3 actually generates some really good music. most genres are more formulaic than people want to believe.

The real question is who is going to make the next new genre if there's no money in being a musician. You can't tell suno v3 to make a "grunge" song if "grunge" doesn't exist yet.

Yeah you can?

Similar to how with stable diffusion I can ask for a creature that doesn't exist.

Most of human creativity is just evolution is existing stuff after all. Look at all fantasy creatures, they're all based in part off real animals.

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