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Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by aragonite »

I wish there were an aggressively anti-clickbait news outlet that writes headlines explicitly designed to preempt and neutralize potential misunderstandings. Imagine editors try to anticipate all kinds of ways a candidate headline might mislead the reader, and rewrite the headline to discourage those inferences — succinctly if possible, verbosely if necessary. For this particular piece such a outlet might opt for something like:

"Ex-Boeing Employee Who Reported Safety Issues in 2019 at South Carolina Facility Dies by Apparent Suicide"

or even:

"Ex-Boeing Employee Who Reported Safety Issues in 2019 at South Carolina Facility — Distinct from the 737 Max Whistleblower! — Dies by Apparent Suicide"

To be clear, I don't find the headline by The Hill ("Key Boeing Whistleblower Found Dead from Apparent Suicide") to be especially misleading or clickbaity. It's perfectly defensible against charges of intentional misleadingness. But I suspect for many readers it is part of the experience of reading this article to have a moment of realization halfway through to the effect of "Ah, so this is not about the 737 Max whistleblower I've recently read about". What a breath of fresh air it'd be to have a news outlet that immediately gives off an impression of honorableness by trying actively and aggressively to avoid misleading its reader by its headlines (rather than focus on how its headlines can be defended from charges of misleadingness)!

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by xtracto »

aragonite wrote: post #121

I wish there were an aggressively anti-clickbait news outlet that writes headlines explicitly designed to preempt and neutralize potential misunderstandings. Imagine editors try to anticipate all kinds of ways a candidate headline might mislead the reader, and rewrite the headline to discourage those inferences — succinctly if possible, verbosely if necessary. For this particular piece such a outlet might opt for som…

https://www.boringreport.org/ is actually pretty good at that. I've been reading it for some time. It's LLM generated I think

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by hnthrowaway0328 »

falsandtru wrote: post #103

Hm, this thread once again slid down the top page at an alarming rate, even though the safety of the environment surrounding engineers is a serious concern of engineers. Hacker News is surprisingly dismissive of user interests and votes. Note that even if it is a suicide, it is still a safety problem of the environment surrounding engineers. Since it is Boeing that pressured him until he committed suicide.

I would not be surprised if dang wants to quietly get rid of this kind of topics. It is risky. It is a lot safer to criticize a president TBH.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by jamiek88 »

briantakita wrote: post #120
interestica wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Number of comments and upvotes doesn't suggest lack of curiosity... It's the fact that it got bumped off front page

> Number of comments and upvotes doesn't suggest lack of curiosity Yes, I agree with you. I was doing double speak. Many things of public interest are nudged "off the front page". Promoting Political Bread & Circuses instead. I think the networks of the Managerial Class are tight. Due to shared interests, values, & upbringing. So I'm not surprised to see the circling of wagons. I'm more surprised that this post was n…

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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by hnthrowaway0328 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #107
briantakita wrote: post #101

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>But a country like China would punish the corruption by Boeing management with death. That's a great incentive to not be corrupt. I've long since come to the conclusion that the reason today's politicians, executives, and others in position of power are so flagrantly corrupt is because they don't risk paying with their lives for their troubles anymore. The feudal age wasn't a great time to live in as a peasant, but…

I agree with the first paragraph but not the second. In feudal age the lords could treat their subjects very badly.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by Chinchilla03 »

Chinchilla03 wrote: post #93
Qem wrote: post #14

He should have done like Snowden. Got out of the country before exposing material. Shouldn't a witness in a high profile case like him been granted some sort of police escort by the court? Guy paid the ultimate price for freedom of speech and informing the public. Wonder if someone will sustain there is no threat to freedom of speech because the lawsuit involved the company where he was employed, not the government.…

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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by rl3 »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #96
anigbrowl wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The military and intelligence apparatus does not care You don't need the whole apparatus, just someone who has been trained by it and is morally flexible. Well, you don't even need that, but obviously people with professional experience tend to do a better job. We do not have evidence yet of this being a murder-for-hire or similar, but you're insisting on the impossibility of such when in reality it's not all that un…

Pretending this is common in the West is absurd. Why wouldn’t POTUS have journalists killed then? Surely he’s more powerful than boeings CEO.

>Pretending this is common in the West is absurd.

That's fair. That said it's also not unreasonable to consider it a real possibility assuming it isn't immediately ruled out by evidence.

>Surely he’s more powerful than boeings CEO.

Stuff like this doesn't necessarily originate from the top. It can be people lower on the food chain feeling the heat on the other end of the blame steamroller.

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“They brought them in from other areas of the company. The new leadership team – from my director down – they all came from St. Louis, Missouri. They said they were all buddies there.” [0]

“That entire team came down. They were from the military side. My impression was their mindset was – we are going to do it the way we want to do it. Their motto at the time was – we are in Charleston and we can do anything we want.” [0]

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It's most likely he took his own life, although in my opinion it's blood on their hands regardless given the way he was treated.

[0] https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/boeing-whist...

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