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Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by jeffreygoesto »

yau8edq12i wrote: post #102
diggan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A cheap SSD might reliably last five years, a nice one, about ten years, as far as I know. It's unlikely that people are using SSDs for the main storage on a NAS though, commonly just used for smaller parts (think metadata in ZFS-land for example), not for the main storage. Precisely for that reason.

Hard drives last even less, what is even your point? I don't understand. Do you suggest they store their photos on magnetic tape or what?

The ones in my QNAP lasted at least 12 years. I replaced it just recently. The only durable storages are acid free paper and microfiche afaik. And you need a controlled climate.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by adithyassekhar »

vishnumohandas wrote: post #111
adithyassekhar wrote: post #105

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I am aware of the why, it's claimed to be e2e. But then it shouldn't be touted as a "pro" when compared to Google Photos which the site's home page is asking me to do. Hence the question. As for iOS, Apple controls the whole stack. Whatever ML they do, they do it only on devices capable of that level of ML. I can buy the cheapest android I can find with a 10 year old mediatek processor and search for pictures of my d…

Hey, one of the folks building Ente here. We have to pick our battles, and we currently aren't looking at serving customers on low-end devices. But if they access Ente on a laptop, the indexing will run there, and the computed indexes will sync to their low-end devices, e2ee. Also, given that compute on smart phones is getting better and cheaper with every iteration, we believe it's best to bet on Edge ML for the lon…

Thanks for clarifying; you guys have built something amazing and also made it open source, which you didn't have to. Please don't take my comments as an attack or as demotivating.

I wanted to share my view as a regular person, sadly for whom absolute privacy is a feature and not a necessity, which I think is the vast majority.

Good luck; hope you guys figure this out.

A fellow Malayali :)

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by vishnumohandas »

adithyassekhar wrote: post #122
vishnumohandas wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, one of the folks building Ente here. We have to pick our battles, and we currently aren't looking at serving customers on low-end devices. But if they access Ente on a laptop, the indexing will run there, and the computed indexes will sync to their low-end devices, e2ee. Also, given that compute on smart phones is getting better and cheaper with every iteration, we believe it's best to bet on Edge ML for the lon…

Thanks for clarifying; you guys have built something amazing and also made it open source, which you didn't have to. Please don't take my comments as an attack or as demotivating. I wanted to share my view as a regular person, sadly for whom absolute privacy is a feature and not a necessity, which I think is the vast majority. Good luck; hope you guys figure this out. A fellow Malayali :)

Comments were taken in the best of spirits :)

We do get your perspective. Privacy does not outweigh convenience for vast majority. We are hoping to find the balance.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by vishnumohandas »

jpeeler wrote: post #116
vishnumohandas wrote: post #35

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Hey, one of the folks working on Ente here. Our clients were always open source, we published the code to our server[1] into a monorepo[2] just yesterday. [1]: https://ente.io/blog/open-sourcing-our-server/ [2]: https://github.com/ente-io/ente

Do said clients have the ability to specify a custom endpoint? Obviously with the clients being open source a rebuild can fix that, but hoping that's not required.

Not yet, there's a discussion about this @ https://github.com/ente-io/ente/discussions/504

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by sanex »

mavamaarten wrote: post #30
bovem wrote: post #8

The UI looks great. Couldn't find any info about self hosting but I did find a feature request in GitHub Issues [1]. I guess I'll stick with Immich [2] for now. Edit: Found a Reddit AMA [3] from the CEO and I'm happy to know that self hosting is a goal in the long run. [1] https://github.com/ente-io/ente/issues/141 [2] https://immich.app/ [3] https://old.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/116fx9v/ama_im_vi...

I'm really happy with immich. It's amazing how well everything works and how feature-complete it is given how relatively young the project is and fast-moving development is going. I self-host an instance and do a nightly backup with duplicati to cloud storage. The only downside for me is that there's a new release almost every couple of days, with a message that the backend is out of date. Which is both a pro and a c…

Been running immich for a while but haven't dropped my Google photos just to make sure I can manage immich and not lose everything. Updated from 1.8.something to 1.9something which includes a big db rework and lost all my user accounts. I imagine the photos are still in there somewhere but i haven't dug in yet so they're effectively gone. Lost a lot of trust for me with that even though it was probably my fault.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by diggan »

yau8edq12i wrote: post #102
diggan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A cheap SSD might reliably last five years, a nice one, about ten years, as far as I know. It's unlikely that people are using SSDs for the main storage on a NAS though, commonly just used for smaller parts (think metadata in ZFS-land for example), not for the main storage. Precisely for that reason.

Hard drives last even less, what is even your point? I don't understand. Do you suggest they store their photos on magnetic tape or what?

My point is regarding writes specifically. A HDD can typically survive longer than a SSD if they were both to receive the same amount of writes over time.

SSDs use flash memory cells, which have a limited amount of writes you can do to them before they start to fail. Compared to magnetic disks in HDDs that don't have a finite lifetime of writes.

If you are mostly reading data, then no worries, probably won't affect you. But NASs typically gets a lot of writes, so you want something more durable than SSDs (in terms of writes).

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by raudette »

sanex wrote: post #125
mavamaarten wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really happy with immich. It's amazing how well everything works and how feature-complete it is given how relatively young the project is and fast-moving development is going. I self-host an instance and do a nightly backup with duplicati to cloud storage. The only downside for me is that there's a new release almost every couple of days, with a message that the backend is out of date. Which is both a pro and a c…

Been running immich for a while but haven't dropped my Google photos just to make sure I can manage immich and not lose everything. Updated from 1.8.something to 1.9something which includes a big db rework and lost all my user accounts. I imagine the photos are still in there somewhere but i haven't dug in yet so they're effectively gone. Lost a lot of trust for me with that even though it was probably my fault.

This one got me too - check out: https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/5907

Running REINDEX TABLE USERS; on the DB solved the issue for me.

Immich is definitely fast moving - it is awesome, but has been a challenge to keep it current.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by aarjithn »

vishnumohandas wrote: post #32

Hey, Ente's CEO here. We had opensourced our server[1] yesterday, which is perhaps why we are on the front page. Stoked to be here Ente had launched on HN[2] a while ago and has been sustainably growing since. We took the feedback from our Show HN seriously and have since - undergone a cryptography audit [3] - published our replication strategy [4] - added requested features (family plans, collaborative albums and li…

Hey, a fellow mallu, just wanted to send my appreciation on the product. It literally looks great, my kudos to your illustrator and FE developers. Best wishes!

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by vishnumohandas »

jacques-noris wrote: post #109
davidodio wrote: post #27

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Honestly, everyone can do what they want with their money but working in tech and being on a site like this and seeing this comment makes me really sad We all want cool things, secure, where our data is protected and we are not the product, but 3 euros a month is too much? No wonder big tech gets bigger and the rich get richer. The silicon valley VC funded feifdoms become more entrenched and, in the end, we all suffe…

There are much cheaper alternatives to Ente. Filen.io, which is also E2E encrypted, for example costs 200 GB montly for 1.99 Euro. Its difficult to compete with iCloud if your service costs three times as much.

Filen is perhaps cheaper because they are storing lesser replicas. It is not financially feasible to provide 3 replicas at their price points, unless they're running their own storage infrastructure, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Now Ente could of course choose to keep lesser replicas and offer "lite" plans that are more affordable. But we would rather not complicate our pricing structure right now. Understanding buckets of GBs is hard enough, and adding tiers on top would worsen the experience for most.

All of that said, Filen does seem like a really cool project for storing files.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Post by patmorgan23 »

sanex wrote: post #125
mavamaarten wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really happy with immich. It's amazing how well everything works and how feature-complete it is given how relatively young the project is and fast-moving development is going. I self-host an instance and do a nightly backup with duplicati to cloud storage. The only downside for me is that there's a new release almost every couple of days, with a message that the backend is out of date. Which is both a pro and a c…

Been running immich for a while but haven't dropped my Google photos just to make sure I can manage immich and not lose everything. Updated from 1.8.something to 1.9something which includes a big db rework and lost all my user accounts. I imagine the photos are still in there somewhere but i haven't dug in yet so they're effectively gone. Lost a lot of trust for me with that even though it was probably my fault.

Yeah I think immich recommends keeping a separate archive for anything you care about.
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