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Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by rayiner »

amluto wrote: post #81
Tiktaalik wrote: post #68

> First, to recap: Google injected special instructions into Gemini so that when it was asked to draw pictures, it would draw people with “diverse” (non-white) racial backgrounds. I just love how this "solution" to their problem of their training set being deeply flawed is such a hilariously bad kludge hack of the sort a jr programmer would make and it's amazing that they went with it.

> their problem of their training set being deeply flawed The world is deeply flawed. If you do an unbiased search [0] of the real pictures of people in such-and-such profession, you get a vague approximation of the people actually in that profession. This does not approximate what Google or anyone else wants the demographic to be — it’s the demographic of people matching the query, times the expected number of times…

> The naturally picks up whatever may be wrong with society that resulted in this distribution.

In Silicon Valley, most companies are 40-50% Asian, while the US is only 7% Asian. Does that mean there’s something “wrong” with Silicon Valley?

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

> Google most likely did not anticipate or intend the historical-figures-who-should-reasonably-be-white result.

Ah, so the problem isn't that they're woke (at least not in a bad way?), just that they're complete morons who don't deserve what google pays them because they never considered the fact that computers can only ever do exactly what you tell them to do?

I mean, uh, sure, ok, but that doesn't make them look better. It makes them look like irresponsible idiot children incapable of any kind of foresight playing with daddy advertising's money. How in the world does any thinking individual fail to predict this exact outcome from that prompt alteration?

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by caekislove »

thinkingemote wrote: post #24
glimshe wrote: post #9

In a nutshell for those without a X account: the problem here isn't that Google's AI gave "woke" results. The big problem here is that even one of the biggest AI specialists in the world, Google, wasn't able to fully predict or control the output of its AI. If we ever create a truly powerful, superintelligent AI under the assumption that we'll be able to control it, this incident shows that even a minor mistake from…

In amazed that the very large corporation didn't have a competent red team doing simple prompt tomfoolery to discover this. After all prompt shenanigans are a well known issue.

It's Google, so they probably consider just the term "red team" to be "problematic".

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by not_really »

k8svet wrote: post #117
cherrycherry98 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bring your whole self to work" is a joke unless you hold progressive opinions. Antifa and "resistance" stickers on laptops or backpacks are fine, as is openly wishing for the death or bodily harm of sitting politicians from the "wrong" party. Diversity groups for just about everyone except you know who. Meetings on work time openly pushing progressive agendas. God forbid you display MAGA swag or even a Gadsden. Dive…

Just so long as the Gadsden is next to the thin blue line, go wild. Love a good random giggle throughout my day.

Such a snide and professional remark, nice job

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by k8svet »

not_really wrote: post #125
k8svet wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so long as the Gadsden is next to the thin blue line, go wild. Love a good random giggle throughout my day.

Such a snide and professional remark, nice job

Thanks! For another tip, it goes equally ironically well at rallies for folks trying to impose governmental control over individuals' medical decisions.

Turns out there's more than professionalism at stake.

I'd link the Gadsden flag Wikipedia page but that might also not be professional. Also, why is it unprofessional to point out an ignorant irony that I can find countless examples of? Is it uncomfortable when I point out the obvious cognitive dissonance?

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by not_really »

k8svet wrote: post #126
not_really wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a snide and professional remark, nice job

Thanks! For another tip, it goes equally ironically well at rallies for folks trying to impose governmental control over individuals' medical decisions. Turns out there's more than professionalism at stake. I'd link the Gadsden flag Wikipedia page but that might also not be professional. Also, why is it unprofessional to point out an ignorant irony that I can find countless examples of? Is it uncomfortable when I poi…

I am familiar with the flag. While it's fun to poke at people who don't know better, this sort of thing cuts both ways. For example, I could find countless examples of people who align themselves with defunding the police, yet lament at the fact that their neighborhood is now suffering from crime.

Either way, your public fear of posting a Wikipedia link says a lot about you.

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by MrMan »

emptysongglass wrote: post #80
smoothjazz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wokeness" as defined by the people who use it is not a religion (and it's not extreme). It's just pejorative word for diversity used by people who believe in white supremacy.

That's a blanket statement you're making coming from your own biases that people who don't agree with woke ideology must be white supremacists.

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Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by MrMan »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #79
smoothjazz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wokeness" as defined by the people who use it is not a religion (and it's not extreme). It's just pejorative word for diversity used by people who believe in white supremacy.

Just like Social Justice Warrior (SJW) before it, woke is a term that those it applies to gave themselves as a positive descriptor. It only took on a negative connotation with the general population when the people applying that descriptor to themselves kept acting in abhorrent ways. It wasn't "white supremacy", it was the behavior of the SJWs and now "woke" that created the negativity. And whatever term they come up…

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Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

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Post by chii »

cherrycherry98 wrote: post #103
ein0p wrote: post #90

Xoogler here: pointing out such things internally is incompatible with continued employment at Google (see eg Damore’s “echo chamber” essay, the echo chamber got even more airtight since then). So the end result is quite predictable. Moreover, this will continue, and i don’t see how they get out of this hole without firing a bunch of internal “activists” who spend their entire days stirring the pot on Memegen rather…

"Bring your whole self to work" is a joke unless you hold progressive opinions. Antifa and "resistance" stickers on laptops or backpacks are fine, as is openly wishing for the death or bodily harm of sitting politicians from the "wrong" party. Diversity groups for just about everyone except you know who. Meetings on work time openly pushing progressive agendas. God forbid you display MAGA swag or even a Gadsden. Dive…

"diversity" but only of the right kind of course!
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