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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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They have 18,000,000 subscribers on YouTube... how can they not have enough money to host a website and pay some people to create content?... RIP Epicly Later'd?

"However, it is no longer cost-effective for us to distribute our digital content the way we have done previously. Moving forward, we will look to partner with established media companies to distribute our digital content, including news, on their global platforms, as we fully transition to a studio model."

Re: Vice website is shutting down

#122

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

It doesn't sparkle joy to them anymore.

I wish I was joking, but reducing the amount of stuff that is owned/managed for the sake of it is a common philosophy. Another way to put it: they're focusing.

We think it would have been extremely low effort to keep a static site running, they probably thought not having to think about it at all was worth the loss.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

#123
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> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

I did some work for a design agency that got bought by Twitter.... we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up (although no publishing new stuff without some by hand work or restoring the old servers). All the good articles and design samples stay…

You still have to maintain the domain, and stay on the hook if the site gets overtaken/hacked/defaced.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a ne…

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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a ne…

Silicon Valley predates low interest rates by decades, and the tsunami of money it generates helped to create an environment where low interest rates for long periods were even possible

The conditions of possibility for Silicon Valley as we know it predate low interest rates, there is always a confluence of forces at work in constructing any economic and social regime. First it goes back to Reagan, then you can go further back to the origins of set theory and phenomenology, then you can go back to Kant, and, if you're so inclined, you can retrogress all the way back to Panini and his systematization of Sanskrit as the first "computer" language.

And in any case "money," is not the most important thing in an economy--monetary and fiscal policy are only relevant with respect to the operations of capital, and neoliberalism was always primarily ideological; Thatcher herself said that it was a moral mission. But Thatcher and Reagan duped themselves, or they didn't realize precisely what they were releasing, the unbounded power of computation, with the creation of neoliberal capitalism.

The environment which you refer to is nothing but the social conditions whereby the power of the market was fused with the power of nature in the form of the "genius" innovater, the "disruptor," the brilliant artist-engineer, which came to develop itself as the total ideology of the state, and only intensified in the wake of the 08' recession--reaching its apotheosis with today's so-called "AI," which (supposedly) is the technology which has the power of the super rationality of nature, Absolute Mimesis. And all that it needs to do to fulfill its holy mission is destroy the world, and humanity with it...

No! We can't be, we cannot remain merely human...but why submit to the likes of Sam Altman and Elon Musk, who have tricked you with talk of the "market"? Who hates the world so much they would let a machine destroy humanity; no, no...we cannot destroy the world, we can't destroy man, we must go beyond! We must overcome the whole world.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

#126

They ran out of dangerous places to do designer drugs. In all honesty, Vice was a cool outlet for out-there stories for teens and adults alike. Shame it’s shutting down but then again I never supported it.

It became a propaganda machine, just like any other big or bigger media company and had it's best time before that.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

#127

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Channel 5 on YouTube has picked up where they left off.

Yeah I was about to say, though I'm getting a bit worried that as Andrew grows more successful and grows his operation, the more it will start to resemble a traditional news outlet (much as Vice did in the later years). In any case, I'm hoping once Channel 5 grows big enough they can relaunch Hamilton's Pharmacopeia (though by a different name, of course).

Hamilton is still making great content:

https://www.youtube.com/@HamiltonMorris/videos

https://www.patreon.com/HamiltonMorris

Re: Vice website is shutting down

#128
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18M YouTube subscribers can sustain a decent business, sure, but not one with 3000+ employees.

What? Why on earth does Vice have 3000 employees? I thought publishing companies long since switched to having all their content creators freelance. Edit: I thought OP was exaggerating, but nope, per this random website they have/had at least 2,300. https://rocketreach.co/vice-media-profile_b5c6f6cef42e0cd9

I assume it was that high to get more funding? like a VC startup style? no other reason make sense

Re: Vice website is shutting down

#129
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> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

I did some work for a design agency that got bought by Twitter.... we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up (although no publishing new stuff without some by hand work or restoring the old servers). All the good articles and design samples stay…

> we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up

I got absolutely tarred and feathered at an agency for suggesting this strategy and I just want to say thank you for validating what I wanted to do.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a ne…

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