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Re: Private company landing on the moon today

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post #83

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If you are in the US, you must look at the taliban with disdain, for how they are treating women. As a European, we look at the regimes in the states you mentioned with the same disdain. No way I would ever consider living there.

Have you ever been to the US? You sound like a provincial who reads too much propaganda.

I visited all states in the western half and it was shocking to see that the infrastructure outside of the cities is more or less comparable with the poorest parts of eastern Europe. It did not change my opinion of the US for the better.

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

#123
post #36

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Women die because they're not allowed to abort nonviable fetuses that would also likely kill them. Seems very unsafe, I wouldn't want to be a woman there.

"Abortion in Texas is illegal in all cases, except to save the mother's life, or prevent substantial impairment of major bodily function." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Texas#:~:text=Abor... .

you may or may not be aware that a common result of such laws is that doctors refuse to get involved in cases where an abortion is necessary to save the mother's life, because they don't want to have to convince a jury of it. better to take a different patient and not risk going to jail until the trial

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

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post #36

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Women die because they're not allowed to abort nonviable fetuses that would also likely kill them. Seems very unsafe, I wouldn't want to be a woman there.

"Abortion in Texas is illegal in all cases, except to save the mother's life, or prevent substantial impairment of major bodily function." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Texas#:~:text=Abor... .

The trouble with this language, which seems unambiguous, can be difficult to implement in an emergency situation. For example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-sepsis-life-saving-abortion-...

As a partner with a wife who went into septic shock, sepsis is no joke. I was given a 40% chance of her living through the night, which, thankfully she did. Doctors are understandably hesitant to perform an abortion because they could be held criminally liable if some court after the fact, with months of hindsight, may consider that the mother could have lived even if the baby was brought to term. So this is a no-win scenario all around and a terrible law from a party that claims to eschew any government overreach into personal lives.

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

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I'm Dutch, an additional 5k per month would not buy me the feeling of safety I enjoy in the Netherlands. It's not just medical bills. It's also the crime and rape rates. You don't cover death and trauma with insurance.

I'm a citizen in the US, and conversely I wouldn't move to the Netherlands for any amount of money. Everyone values different things differently I suppose.

Let me guess, you're somewhat apathetic and the biggest factor is that you hate to see your taxes go to improving the lives of your fellow citizens.

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

#126
post #58

It's interesting how this feels like a big deal; when I learned of this yesterday, I almost forgot that there have been almost 30 missions to Mars (which I assume is much harder and more expensive) in the years since the last moon landing.

> which I assume is much harder and more expensive

Manned space missions are significantly more expensive (and complicated) than robotic missions. (Otherwise, we'd be sending a lot more people into space.)

Let's do a little bit of back-of-the-envelope Googling:

From https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/cost-of-apollo

> The United States spent $25.8 billion on Project Apollo between 1960 and 1973, or approximately $257 billion when adjusted for inflation to 2020 dollars.

From https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/cost-of-the-mars-expl....

> The Mars Exploration Rover (MER) mission cost $1.08 billion. Of that amount, $744 million was spent on spacecraft development and launch; $335.8 million was spent on 15 years of mission operations.

So it looks like "manned" space missions cost at least 100x the cost of sending a robot.

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

#127

The spacecraft has an ad prominently displayed on itself, it's depressing. We will never reproduce the experience of 10 year old me watching the moon landing with my dad. It's all just egos and entertainment now.

the moon landing rocket said "usa" on the side and had flags. that's the same thing, just a bigger corporation

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

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post #78

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Alaska: 134 per 100k, The Netherlands: 7.1 per 100k. Something is very wrong in the USA.

Given Alaska is a 3x outlier compared to the national average, and almost 2x the next highest state, it seems unreasonable to draw conclusions from it alone.

The US: 40 per 100k NL: 7.1 per 100k

I think I'll continue to draw "unreasonable" conclusions.

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

#129

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It is chilling that this reads like a dystopian novel prompt. And on the other side of US men are women, women are men, and nobody is anything and everything at the same time. What a time to be alive.

Dystopian but also something unique to the US. Each state is effectively a different country with sometimes radically different laws. But people are free to move about and select which set of laws they want to live under, at least so long as they are not pregnant. New parents may move to state A so their daughter can have reproducer freedom. Or a billionaire may move to state B so he can more easily sell stocks witho…

Switzerland did this even before the US. The US model is basically a copy of how Switzerland has been working (probably even more radically so with a much weaker federal government).

But the emotional policies surrounding abortion in the US do not stem from their federal organization but rather roots in rather strong religious sentiments still more prevalent in the US than probably many other western countries.

In Switzerland abortion has been formally legal since about 2001.

Re: Private company landing on the moon today

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The next stage in this project is the ice-drilling PRIME-1 - which might rely on the success of this stage? Details:

> "The [Odyssus] Nova-C Lander is a tall hexagonal cylinder on 6 landing legs. It is capable of carrying 100 to 130 kg of payload to the surface. It uses solar panels to generate 200 W of power on the surface. Propulsion and landing use liquid methane as fuel and liquid oxygen as an oxidizer. The PRIME-1 mission has two primary components, The Regolith and Ice Drill for Exploring New Terrain (TRIDENT) and the Mass Spectrometer observing lunar operations (MSolo). TRIDENT is an augering drill approximately 1 meter long. The drill is able to stop at any depth as commanded from the ground and deposit and deposit its sample on the surface for analysis. MSolo is a commercial off the shelf (COTS) mass spectrometer modified for spaceflight and lunar operations. Total PRIME-1 payload mass is about 40 kg."

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id...

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