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ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

nroets wrote: post #90
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in NL for a while, few years, changed few companies, it's a place where processes are more important than actual code quality, where people stay in the same job for 10-15 years and everything below that is seen as a bad thing, people is hired for the culture primarily, having awareness of software principles is really worthless. I ran away as the last company I interviewed with, after solving a coding puzz…

This is a company with over 40,000 employees and a market cap of over $100b. Surely they would have opened offices in different countries if Dutch culture was holding them back. They are just a domestic flight away from Eastern Europe. And just a train ride away from London.

>This is a company with over 40,000 employees and a market cap of over $100b.

Just because they won a golden ticket selling products based on US research given to them, in a market impossible to enter by new players, is no proof their culture is superior to other companies. It could be they were at the right palce right time.

Pretty sure Nokia also though their corporate culture was superior when the iPhone dropped due to their huge market cap in the phone business.

>Surely they would have opened offices in different countries if Dutch culture was holding them back.

They do have offices is many other countries other than NL.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #116
smooc wrote: post #104

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I'm a hiring manager in the Netherlands. I would be happy that you ran away, because you would not have passed the bar. The hiring process I like to have in place is: 1. HR Interview: see if there is a fit with the company 2. Skill check. Do you have the problem solving, hard skills and communication skills needed for the job. 3. Team fit. Do you like to drink a beer (or non alcoholic) with us and we with you. Can yo…

I have been my whole career a great team fit, I’ve had bosses inviting me for Christmas at their home when I couldn’t travel to my home town, I’ve had coworkers inviting me to their child baptism and their wedding, I only don’t pass the bar for social interaction when its enforced by clowns out of context Ah I had party at my place, and friends of coworkers invited wanted to have me at their home for weeks before I l…

>Why are you even in a technical interview process?

Probably the Peter Principle.

>You know what were the social events? People mimicking italian gestures, talking about cappuccino and pizza with pineapples (I am italian).

I chuckled out loud from that.

Yeah, forced social gatherings at work are the worst. The problem is if those gathering are part of the "company culture" then refusing to go will automatically ruin all your promotion perspectives in the company, as most other people also attend just to save face, rub shoulders with upper managers and show conformism.

If you don't go to those shitty gatherings but most people are, then you're signaling you're a non conformist, and rigid companies don't like to promote non conformists.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by seper8 »

hcfman wrote: post #86
seper8 wrote: post #62

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They don't just test software on the machines. Inaccurate comment at least in 2024.

The comments in that post are full of untruths. ASML is a huge company so no one person can talk about all of it. As with all large companies there will be great bits and bits that can be done better and the larger the company gets and the more critical the software is the slower some parts will be done. There's always room for improvement. And ASML has improved immensely over the last 10 years. In the teams that I'v…

Yeah there are a lot of silos. Partly that's by design, partly that's a an arguably bad part of it's culture. I'm in a position where I can see a lot of them work in isolation, all choosing to use their own tooling: programming languages, frameworks ides, version control systems... Indeed no one team works quite like the other.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by lijok »

konschubert wrote: post #91
lijok wrote: post #87

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Zeiss is bottlenecked by the workforce. Not enough of them. Tricky to scale that.

How much do they pay? Why can’t they hire more?

There simply aren’t enough people that can do the job and not that many Germans are interested in taking an apprenticeship so they can polish glass for the rest of their life.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by hcfman »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #74
Scarblac wrote: post #38

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Also that's what we do since WW2. We are a close ally of the US, use US weapons, usually follow them in foreign policy. So not very surprising imo.

Well there are various degrees of enthusiasm. Netherlands also claims to be a fighter for human rights, yet it immediately dropped UNRWA funding after unproven allegations about a handful of people (out of thousands) and thus letting civilians starve to death...

Human rights? Not true. (Oops did I say that out loud?).

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by konschubert »

lijok wrote: post #124
konschubert wrote: post #91

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How much do they pay? Why can’t they hire more?

There simply aren’t enough people that can do the job and not that many Germans are interested in taking an apprenticeship so they can polish glass for the rest of their life.

I’d be willing to do it for 500K a year. If that’s what’s holding back worldwide semiconductor manufacturing, call me.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by lijok »

konschubert wrote: post #126
lijok wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There simply aren’t enough people that can do the job and not that many Germans are interested in taking an apprenticeship so they can polish glass for the rest of their life.

I’d be willing to do it for 500K a year. If that’s what’s holding back worldwide semiconductor manufacturing, call me.

Haha wouldn't we all

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by random_walker »

yau8edq12i wrote: post #80
nn3 wrote: post #3

Relevant HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181 Apparently their software development processes are terrible.

I love these threads. Everyone will chime in about how they know better how to run the company, with suggestions on the processes that they don't know and so on. Meanwhile the story is "business is #1 and booming". Elegant software stacks aren't always the most important part of the business.

Exactly, I guess that's because HN has quite software-heavy crowd. Most of them like to see software changing the world.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by krapp »

random_walker wrote: post #128
yau8edq12i wrote: post #80

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I love these threads. Everyone will chime in about how they know better how to run the company, with suggestions on the processes that they don't know and so on. Meanwhile the story is "business is #1 and booming". Elegant software stacks aren't always the most important part of the business.

Exactly, I guess that's because HN has quite software-heavy crowd. Most of them like to see software changing the world.

No, most of them want to make a ton of money. They're hanging out virtue signaling their cleverness on a forum owned by a Silicon Valley startup incubator for a reason.

Re: ASML dethrones Applied Materials, becomes largest fab tool maker

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Post by random_walker »

leokennis wrote: post #85
yau8edq12i wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love these threads. Everyone will chime in about how they know better how to run the company, with suggestions on the processes that they don't know and so on. Meanwhile the story is "business is #1 and booming". Elegant software stacks aren't always the most important part of the business.

Exactly. ASML made a profit of about $2,050,000,000,- in 2023. I doubt they are very interested in complaints about how some random dude expected more time to run his tests.

I think they are pretty serious about high quality software development. There are often questions and concerns from (tech/non-tech) management about build times, compute costs, software product’s performance etc. PS:I work at ASML.
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