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Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by tomcam »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

I’m guessing you can negotiate for sharply reduced rates. No one pays list if they can help it.

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Post by zerr198 »

chrismartin wrote: post #93
zerr198 wrote: post #85

We moved to AWS a few years ago, after self-hosting our own storage for years. What a nightmare.. The egress fees were killing us, so we had to find something else. Being weary of these large tech companies, and being that these days we're more privacy conscious as well. We found a new startup that outsources storage nodes to individuals / businesses. You have to install what they call a "relayer" on prem. The relaye…

So, you went with Pied Piper? :)

hahah, yes, in a sense :)

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by 0x6c6f6c »

deskamess wrote: post #53
rezonant wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

R2 is an insane value proposition. We calculated the cost of moving HLS video delivery to it and unless you are delivering a huge amount of traffic, the costs are far lower. Highly recommend you consider it, assuming you are willing/able to handle appropriate transcoding yourself (if not, Cloudflare has it's Stream product)

What is 'appropriate transcoding'?

Assumedly, implementing the logic yourself for transcoding source content into various encodings on demand.

If you're storing 1080p h265 MP4s in R2 and the client can only support 480p h264 it'll request that but you need to "appropriately transcode" for them.

The alternative is a service that does this for you, like Cloudflare Stream. Upload source video, service handles transcoding and integrates easily with standard video players with HLS or Dash.

Just in case: I am not OP

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by Aeolun »

_cenw wrote: post #16
naiv wrote: post #2

I think the overview is missing a column of what data is actually allowed for 'free' egress. Iirc eg Cloudflare does not allow videos etc. as part of their free tier. edit: confused ingress and egress

Hetzner has seen two known cases of people being evicted for bandwidth use, and they were saturating the link 24/7 for several months by syncing an endless amount of footage to archive.

Do you have a source for this? Would like to read about that.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by breck-fresen »

One thing all the posts like this miss is you don't pay sticker price at modest scale. And if you're a whale who can move your workload around to generate competitive bids, you can negotiate prices down to cost + some fixed margin.

The big guys also forecast their usage and make long-term commitments, which will yield savings beyond the advertised (e.g.) 3 year reserved instance pricing. Forecasting demand is a foreign concept for most cloud users, and elasticity has real cost in the form of reduced utilization.

That said, as a small fish, I find the egress costs obscene.

Source: I used to work on AWS

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by toast0 »

raid2000 wrote: post #40
mocamoca wrote: post #9

OVHCloud is free https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/faq/ As a data company we really benefit from Scaleway, Hetzner and Ovh. However, Scale way has no plans to add an US infra And I don't know if Hetzner has US présence?

European providers benefit from lower cross-connect fees in datacenters and more internet exchanges for easy peering. It's not surprising they offer more bandwidth at the same cost.

The US has plenty of internet exchanges. And plenty of smaller hosters with cheap bandwidth. Usually located near an internet exchange.

It's not like AWS or GCP have locations that are terribly far from major exchanges either.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by jupp0r »

amluto wrote: post #41
PreInternet01 wrote: post #7

The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…

> other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases My theory: it forces third party services into the same cloud. Suppose you use AWS and you want to pay a third party SaaS provider for some service involving moderate-to-large amounts of data. Here’s one of many examples: https://www.snowflake.com/en/data-cloud/pricing-options/ And look at this remarkable choice: you get to pick AWS…

It's an interesting point, but I doubt it's the lions share of egress that's going to other data centers vs to customers. Fan out is where it gets expensive.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by phonon »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

AWS Lightsail is actually pretty good, comparable to Linode (except it maxes out at 7 TB/month).

https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/pricing/

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by narimoney »

zerr198 wrote: post #85

We moved to AWS a few years ago, after self-hosting our own storage for years. What a nightmare.. The egress fees were killing us, so we had to find something else. Being weary of these large tech companies, and being that these days we're more privacy conscious as well. We found a new startup that outsources storage nodes to individuals / businesses. You have to install what they call a "relayer" on prem. The relaye…

what is the name of this startup? So i can read about it?

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by teraflop »

ehhthing wrote: post #103
Scubabear68 wrote: post #66

The article says “ Cloud providers charge for egress because it costs them money to send data out of their network. They have to pay for the infrastructure and bandwidth required to send data to users”. The charge is not based on cost in the case of the big names. They charge an arm and a leg because they want to keep you and your data on their platform. When you move it you are breaking free. Hence the high costs to…

> They charge an arm and a leg because they want to keep you and your data on their platform. When you move it you are breaking free. This isn't remotely true. The bandwidth alliance exists, and a lot of cloud companies are on the list: https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/bandwidth-alliance/ The actual answer is much more complicated. For example, Google Cloud offers two different bandwidth tiers: premium and standard.…

Google's "standard" bandwidth pricing is about 15%-45% cheaper than "premium", which is admittedly a significant discount, but it's still an order of magnitude more expensive than some of the other options on the list.
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