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Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#121

If you're interested in an open source, (including the server) self hostable, E2EE and federated/p2p storage, sharing and app protocol (including calendar, docs etc) who doesn't have VC investors, check out Peergos: https://peergos.org Tech book - https://book.peergos.org Source - https://github.com/peergos/peergos Sign up to our server - https://peergos.net/?signup=true

Interesting. Peergos seems to be a lot like a self-hosted Dropbox. How does it compare to ownCloud and Nextcloud?

We treat the server as an adversary. So everything is chunked an encrypted so the server can't see file data, filenames, file sizes, whether something is a file or dir, who has access to a file, who your friend are etc. Everything is signed so servers can't tamper with your data either.

We also use a p2p and self-authenticated protocol so it is easy to migrate servers whilst keeping your identity, friends and data.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Candidly, the ability to profit off of email as a service is probably not a challenge that many businesses are up to. Deliverability is a massive pain in the ass. Unless you have the team and are well established, starting up or re-badging a mail service would be a nightmare. Good email is expensive for a (bad) reason.

This really appears to be lost on HN and I have no idea why. It’s such a weird blindspot. I only see it said it displayed as extreme cynicism toward Google and Microsoft by people trying to run their own personal mail server, who after some polite prodding almost never seem to be doing bare minimum ‘best practices’ for getting their mail delivered.

Very few people understand the extent of how many bad actors there are until they experience it firsthand.

That said, Google and Microsoft essentially have monopolies in their respective areas of the market (Gmail in consumer, Outlook in B2B), and if you think they aren't slowly letting these products decline while cranking up the revenue extraction...you're dead wrong.

With LLMs they could eliminate spam in a much more reliable way without killing off small senders, tomorrow. Yet, they will never devote any real resources to these products, since they don't have to. Nobody wants to go through the hassle of changing their email.

Outlook still uses the Microsoft Word HTML rendering engine, completely unchanged, from 20 years ago. That's all you need to know about the incentives for innovation after you've successfully captured a network.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#124
Mailbox.org as a mail provider has not been metioned here, so i will do it now.

That's it - i will not point out the features here as you can look it up yourself. Just the relevancy for this topic: berlin based company with a CEO that is highly skilled, involved in protocol standartization and very much into privacy topics and free software. i am also pretty much sure they will stay arou d for years to come, as they don't sell you into bs statements nobody can hold onto and are just rock solid business. fits my bill..

I do not like to do advertisement for anyone and really think calling out for some company is a no-go. Except one that has its product open source to full extend. But this does not apply here - its a central service you simply have to trust.. EMail is different. As you can, but shall but better not host that mess yourself. So that's the excuse for me doing advertisement here as a one-time exception..

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#125

If you're interested in an open source, (including the server) self hostable, E2EE and federated/p2p storage, sharing and app protocol (including calendar, docs etc) who doesn't have VC investors, check out Peergos: https://peergos.org Tech book - https://book.peergos.org Source - https://github.com/peergos/peergos Sign up to our server - https://peergos.net/?signup=true

I can highly recommend this system. Have been using it for years now, since it was alpha - for sensitive data and for any other data, instead of things like Dropbox or G-drive. Convenient, easy, safe. Thanks!

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#126
Is hard to beat a pay as you go email provider with no limits on the number of users and domains you can have -> purelymail.com

It's the cheapest option i found, i pay less than 10 $ a year.

It works perfectly on Thunderbird. With CalDAV and CardDAV support you have a standard protocol for your contacts and calendar; very portable.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#127

Man. In addition to Skiff users, I feel really bad for the people working there, too. Imagine spending years of your life on one product, working hard every day to make it as good as it can be... all for it just to go “poof” one day so some executives and investors can get rich. Might have been the plan all along, even. Sad

acquisition and merger culture is so incredibly destructive. It doesnt have to be this way either, with much stricter regulations. It's an enormous waste of resources and that's the point half the time, just buy companies to delete their services.

Governments "optimizing" resource allocation to avoid "waste" tends to not actually make people's lives better. Or reduce actual waste.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#128

Ah stink. Time to move then. Can anyone recommend a privacy focused email provider that can run free or cheap custom domains?

I have been using a paid Proton Mail plan since 2018, and I _think_ a free plan for a year or two before that. In those years, I've run into two issues worth mentioning:

* Android app sending incomplete emails. Sometimes the email would just be truncated once I checked it in my sent folder. They claim this is fixed in their Beta app, but I have not confirmed.

* A large (12-ish-GB) file repeatedly failing to download from Proton Drive, both through the web interface and their desktop app. Took many attempts before it finally worked through the web UI. So... don't use Drive for critical backups without other copies around.

Both of the above were encountered in the last year. Aside form that I've had no other problems that I can remember in all these years, so I've been generally happy with it.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#129

Wow, I was looking around for a cheap email provider lately for a secondary account and Skiff seemed to be the only one to offer everything I was looking for on their free plan. Almost seemed to good to be true - so I concluded it probably was and went with a more expensive but trusted option. Glad I did. I'm at the stage where for anything important I will be very reluctant to choose software that hasn't been around…

Lindy effect.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

acquisition and merger culture is so incredibly destructive. It doesnt have to be this way either, with much stricter regulations. It's an enormous waste of resources and that's the point half the time, just buy companies to delete their services.

Governments "optimizing" resource allocation to avoid "waste" tends to not actually make people's lives better. Or reduce actual waste.

Is there a better alternative? The current situation doesnt seem sustainable...
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