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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by cpymchn »

neom wrote: post #114
dghlsakjg wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Deputy PM of Canada is a Harvard educated Rhodes scholar, wrote an international best-seller and was a correspondent for Financial Times, The Washington Post, and The Economist before joining Thomson Reuters as a managing director. Then she started her political career.

Chrystia Freeland PM, Mark Carney Deputy PM is a dream team for me. My sister dated Justin for a couple of years at McGill, imo he's a genuinely good guy, but I can't say I'd consider him a good leader.

The Bank of England employees he terrorized would like a word.

Carney has Julie-Payette issues in his past and probably won't leave his board seats to clean up Justin's mess, but never underestimate the ego I guess.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by theultdev »

blindriver wrote: post #95
nonethewiser wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the gun control debate.

Except gun ownership is codified into the US Constitution. That’s why is impossible to get rid of, unfortunately.

Unfortunately?

Just above we can see a clear point that criminals will still have guns.

They won't turn them in. You'll only take away the ability of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves.

My wife carries a gun because she is smaller and weaker than most men, she needs it to protect herself.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by vlovich123 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #84
mistrial9 wrote: post #82

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There are good reasons to ban a device like that on an active passenger flight. A modern airplane relies on a lot of radio frequency communication I think.. a reason for strict ban is - there is no feedback to the person in the passenger area when they stomp on some sensitive channel, or they may notice but find it exhilarating perhaps..

That seems reasonable to me, but I don't think that was the OPs proposition ( arrest the user ). Ban on a plane is fairly strong, but a lot more reasonable. At least compared to blank ban on electronics that included gameboys and walkmen, this one makes sense.

It’s only facially reasonable to people not familiar enough with RF on a plane. This isn’t in the right radio bands to interfere with anything to do with the safe operation of a plane and it’s using off the shelf radio chips and firmware that would have the appropriate channel switching when they detect a sensitive communication (no different from the stuff the WiFi chip in your laptop and phone are doing when connected to the plane’s WiFi). People were rightly concerned (even if overly conservative and in practice it would be ok) about 3g + planes but since 4g it’s been a solved problem and WiFi has been doing coex with radar channels for forever and if if I recall correctly Bluetooth is too low power to really cause a problem. And to reiterate, flipper zero afaik is using the same off the shelf radio hardware and firmware that would be found in any other product so it wouldn’t be any more dangerous to plane functioning than those products. I really am confused by the FUD being leveled at flipper zero and where it’s coming from.

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Post by xvector »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #104
defrost wrote: post #63

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UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason. https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm If you've got a job related need to carry a mofo knife (cane cutting with a machete) there's no drama. Yes, it's regulated - but it's not what you claim it to be. Next you'll be claiming there's no guns in Australia.

Yep, I’ve never personally seen a problem with this law. We’ve made plenty of dumb decisions as a country but I’d say trying to keep knives off the streets is not one of them.

Your laws aren't keeping any knives off the streets. Your knife laws are contradictory, nonsensical, and result in normal people being hurt more than stopping any actual criminals: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39310586

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by refurb »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #110
blindriver wrote: post #98

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

The Deputy PM of Canada is a Harvard educated Rhodes scholar, wrote an international best-seller and was a correspondent for Financial Times, The Washington Post, and The Economist before joining Thomson Reuters as a managing director. Then she started her political career.

She’s a journalist. That should tell you all you need to know.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by hansvm »

kevingadd wrote: post #111
advael wrote: post #102

So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

The main problem with direct democracy as performed in the US is that it's trivial to manipulate with sufficiently large ad campaigns, because the average voter is not super well informed on most topics and is usually not motivated to dig deeply when i.e. a ride-sharing company spends a cool hundred million to get the legal outcome they want. This is not to say that the alternative is immune to these problems, but as…

Do you mean to tell me that the general public weren't in favor of being screwed over by ride sharing companies, so much so that a 7/8 majority would be required to overturn their "democratic " decision? I'm not sure that HN is an appropriate forum for strong, unsupported opinions like that.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by neom »

cpymchn wrote: post #121
neom wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrystia Freeland PM, Mark Carney Deputy PM is a dream team for me. My sister dated Justin for a couple of years at McGill, imo he's a genuinely good guy, but I can't say I'd consider him a good leader.

The Bank of England employees he terrorized would like a word. Carney has Julie-Payette issues in his past and probably won't leave his board seats to clean up Justin's mess, but never underestimate the ego I guess.

Oh really? Ha! Well, I'm out of the loop on that. I still hold a glowing image of him from when he was working in Canada. I guess I should check what he's been up to... terrorized employees seems surprising, but also... not really.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by defrost »

loopdoend wrote: post #117
defrost wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hardly the issue, gun ownership is part of Australia also - the difference being that there it is regulated. The debate in the US is largely about what constitutes well-regulated and is a mess as States are not aligned.

There is no legal right to gun ownership in Australia.

Complete utter nonsense - I'm an Australian gun owner, all legal.

My neighbour here in the Australian wheatbelt enjoys ULR shooting at 5,000 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE

Perhaps you might like to do some actual fact checking before being utterly wrong in public?

W.Aus Firearms Act 1973 (current): https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/l...

W.Aus Firearms Regulations 1974 (current): https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/l...

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by cpymchn »

neom wrote: post #127
cpymchn wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bank of England employees he terrorized would like a word. Carney has Julie-Payette issues in his past and probably won't leave his board seats to clean up Justin's mess, but never underestimate the ego I guess.

Oh really? Ha! Well, I'm out of the loop on that. I still hold a glowing image of him from when he was working in Canada. I guess I should check what he's been up to... terrorized employees seems surprising, but also... not really.

As reported by Bloomberg at the time; he is now on Bloomberg's board, so did the HR person or the journalist fail at their job?
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